um that is incorrect, i believe the 23 number is US guilds, but a lot cleared Naxx in that time frame.
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Im cool with that, are you the only person here with sense in your head? new meme #waitforrelease
No offense, but do a little research. Thereās not a ton of interviews and videos to look through. Brack said theyāre fine if tens of people end up playing long-term. Theyāre designing the game for a core, niche group of players.
okay 59. my bad. either way. thatās likeā¦ 3600 players tops provided each guild has 20 subs.
thats 0.045%ā¦as in 1/20th of 1%.
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Ion Hazzikostas says itās sacrilege to mess with the 1.12 data and you still think thereās any chance of that happening? At a certain point you need to just accept Classic for what it is.
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ok now do 20 pushups as punishment :O)
, but yeah an stupidly small amount completed, or even saw/killed even 1 boss, easily the biggest failure , though a good part of that was due to timing of its release.
Okay. As a hypothetical, design me a lvl 60 req. item that doesnāt upset the experience. I wanna know how you get it, 5man? raid? craftable? what are the mats/does it drop from a boss or from trash? whats the drop rate? remember though, it canāt upset item progression. Post naxx is out because then youāre looking down a long road of power creep. It has to at least be arguably not bis at whatever stage of progression itās acquired at, but also not irrelevant. It canāt have stats that allow it to combine with any other piece of gear in a game breaking way. It canāt drop or have its mats gathered too easily or it might be picked up in favor of a rarer drop, it also canāt be too rare or not enough people will want it to make it worth the dev time. Itās stats cant be so optimized that it seems out of place among other vanilla items, but it cant be too poorly stated or it will be seen as unusable.
nitpicky? maybe. but thatād be for just 1 item. Not a talent change or heaven forbid a new dungeon or raid. Thereās a butterfly effect, chaos theory thing that is a very real part of why some games are good and why others arenāt.
Also thereās the fact that if they donāt change anything they just have to migrate over existing data and maintain the servers. If they do make changes they have to do actual dev work which changes the budgeting alchemy too.
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Well, you said itā¦
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Yeah, i remember timing was poor, only the most hardcore of guilds were doing it because everyone already knew TBC was coming, and guess what happened? A lot of the community stopped caring because they KNEW it would basically reset everything and getting naxx gear wouldnt matter soon enough.
either way. we should wait to discuss adding post vanilla content until weāre further along.
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i touched a psever for about 2-3 hours and quit. never went back again. and even if i hadnt touched it AT ALL, that is really unfair. to dismiss me or anyone else, because you want a version of vanilla that didnt exist and we do. that is delusional.
what i never understand, is when its been made very clear on what version (aka as close to a 1:1 remake as possible) we are getting and that is never good enough. and just so you know, it was psever players that demanded and rallied for an official release. so you can dump on them all you want but it wouldnt even be happening if it wasnt for them. the same people you throw under the bus, for a version of vanilla that you will NEVER get.
https ://www.pcgamer.com/this-is-how-blizzard-plans-to-finally-bring-back-vanilla-wow-servers/
That article includes this quote from J. Allen Brack:
"If millions of people show up and play for years, thatās awesome. And if just tens of people show up and play for years, weāre fine either way. "
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thank you. i tried to find one and it didnāt go well.
I think this guy just won.
Thanks. I couldnāt find it.
I did, and you didnt have any compelling argument, you just want to put garbage on the internet: See proxy post for a real mans response.
blizzard puts in a real argument, saying NO.
thats not a real mans response.
mmk
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Well first, facts are not subject to emotionsā¦ Purists may not like being told facts about the game, but that is their problem, not mine.
That said, I respond to purists with the exact same amount of restraint and civility they show pro changers, even when the argument in question is sound. Iāve also been auto forum temp banned 4 different times since these forums went up, at the hands of purists, despite not breaking any forum rules in the posts that get automatically flagged as a result of their pathetic passive aggressive behavior.
This is either an obvious lie, or your server is vastly different from the norm, and 100% different what my high population realm wasā¦ My vanilla realm had exactly 1 Enhance shaman who ever raided at any significant level, and only was able to raid after being kicked from every guild of repute on our faction and forming his own guild with the other failures, rejects, and cast offs. They managed to clear Molten core by the time the rest of the server was farming Nefarian, and got halfway through BWL and like 3 bosses in AQ40 totalā¦
Sorry, but viable enough to maybe get into a failure or āfeederā guild because no guilds of any significance want you doesnāt constitute real viability to meā¦ and hell, even then they only took him because he formed the guild himself.
You might be able to make a claim that they where mathmatically viable for the content (which in itself is a dubious claim), but that really doesnāt matter at all when no one actually wants to carry you there, or waste loot on a garbage tier spec that doesnāt pull their weight, and actively steals loot from better class/spec combos. Iāve said it before, but if I where running a vanilla raid, Iād literally rather run with 39 than bring an enhancement shaman and risk wasting loot on them.
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I donāt need to provide a compelling argument. Even if I did, itās not going to change your mind at all because youāve already got your own mind made up.
OK, so maybe my wording was a bit off. I apologize for that folks.
But there it is. Thanks, Fesz.