What prevents them from Sync-Queuing anyway?
For Raid queue to happen, I think they should make all Epics 30v30.
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what does 30v30 have to do with anything?
You can’t queue 40man into Ashran.
ashran is supposed to be 40 man, it was dropped to 25 man because of lag, but that lag was due to bad cpu inefficient coding in the “magic scaling” engine they used in bfa, they upped it to 35 man after they killed scaling, but realistically 5 players isn’t going to make a difference, if its going to be laggy, its going to be laggy because networking is black magic to most people, even game devs.
That’s why I’d bring all Epics to the same number limit, and if they go wild and make a Epic BG Blitz, I’d see 25v25.
Ya the bracket will continue to die. There seems to be this delusion that everyone would want to join raids to do BGs, which is far far from the truth. It’s basically just the EBG communities that want this.
And it hurts the bracket.
But there is a reason you can’t just join as a group already. Just because it isn’t enforced doesn’t mean it’s allowed. There is a lot of cheating that goes unpunished, does that mean that is all ok too? Come on.
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There doesn’t need to be any kind of EBG Blitz. I would argue rated isn’t really needed to begin with to make something successful. It’s how fun and rewarding it is. Epic BGs are none of those for a lot of reasons right now.
Just let me point out, these communities are already finding work arounds for the current limits, now add a mode with rated or even another mode period they will do the same with that mode as well.
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I just have some wild ideas. Key is adding some progression to Epics, even if it’s a fake Rating with no MMR and no match making.
It is true that premades will still premade, after 2-3 weeks of Raid queueing they will go back to synching. Or if they don’t like the raid they are facing, they will drop and requeue.
I’ve already proposed the best solution which is cross-faction party shuffle.
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They bracket participation has been falling though, for a lot of reasons. I would argue queue sync groups being the biggest reason. There isn’t a lot of reasons to progress the bracket right now, and these communities are doing a fine job making sure EBGs are off the radar. I would love to see a new large scale BG, but already know it’s going to get ruined by queue syncs.
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no, just put ashran back to 40v40. blitz has complaints already about 8v8 being too small for a few of the maps, a rated 25v25 in AV would not be fun, and i don’t even have to speculate, we’ve done wargames with small numbers and you feel spread too thin everywhere you go. it also forces players into odd builds they may not want to play.
epics only work as they are because they are unrated, people can play as they like, with the class and build they like and with the people they like. rated requires optimal play and optimized teams. rated isn’t going to solve any premade issues, and im not sure why anyone would think this.
Expecting Blizzard to cater to people who actively circumvent the systems they already have in place, just to benefit them and further exclude solo players, is pure delusion.
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100% of the game doesn’t need to be catered to solo players, this is an MMO afterall, its supposed to be massively multiplayer and a game you make friends in.
Nobody’s saying 100% of the game should cater to solo players. Expecting the system to favor those who exploit it, while ignoring the experience of those who don’t, is the real issue. WoW being an MMO isn’t a valid excuse to exploit its systems, no matter how hard you keep trying to push that narrative.
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the problem is you aren’t using the word “exploit” correctly. what premades do is use their knowledge of the game to their own advantage, that is allowed, knowledge is power.
an exploit would be a CVE based hack of some sort.
Well, if you actually understood what the word meant you wouldn’t say such incorrect things.
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However, I think in this case, it isn’t enforced (despite everyone agreeing that it would be easy at a glance) because the premades are needed for the system to function. Getting rid of them would be worse for the albeit broken system than just leaving them alone
Blizzard has only themselves to blame. Progress shared account wide was horrible game design for an MMO. Honor sharing is even worse. If the content is so bad that people don’t want to do it, you have to make the content better, not give people an option to avoid said content.
No, I’m using it correctly. Your fragile ego just can’t handle the fact that what you’re doing isn’t skill-based—it’s simply exploiting the system’s flaws for an advantage, nothing more.
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I disagree with the general position that Premades need to be solved by some heavy handed measure, but you are right. They are exploiting some feature of the game in order to circumvent measures to prevent premades.
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as opposed to spec queueing for ashran so you can sneak in and solo back door the boss? I know you Mortality, you want that glory for your self but those darn premades keep leaving someone in the base to call you out and kill you.
Fair enough, at least you’re being honest.