Solo Shuffle Ruined PvP

[Yossarrion-frostwolf]

Yes that is right

[Zalithela-wyrmrest-accord]

I personally prefer to call it Rimworld even if DF came first.

[Yossarrion-frostwolf]

Typical of an elf showing disrespect of the dwarves

[Bourbons-stormrage]

@Omnislasher-terenas

WE DO NOT WANT MORE SOLO RATED CRUD! This should be #1, but before DF is over we should just remove the concept of rated solo shuffle. The design sucks, maps suck, matchmaking (based on rating mostly) sucks, and most importantly it killed the core of what PvP should be… non SOLO 2’s and 3’s.

Disagree with me or not, but at the end of the day rated solo should be a lessons learned. Also Bobby sucks. The end.

Speak for yourself lol. While I agree with you that Bobby sucks, solo queue should be in every competitive pvp game at this point.

I feel that not having solo queue for so long did more damage to wow pvp than anything else.

Want to know what REALLY sucks?

– being a non-meta spec and trying to pug 2s/3s/rbgs in lfg. These specs often can’t even play the game because [generally speaking] no one wants to play with an underperforming spec;

– spending your time actively looking for partners in lfg, the vast majority of which will be ready to bail after 1-2 losses (and that’s if you ever find partners, because it isn’t a guarantee that you will). At least with solo queue, even with long queue times, you are guaranteed to get to play (and you don’t have to actively search for partners), as any spec you want to play (having said this, they do need to implement priority queue if you couldn’t finish all 6 rounds due to a leaver/disconnect); and

– never getting to play when you’re able to because the time(s) that you can play is/are when hardly anyone else is playing.

Solo/duo/trio queue will save what is left of wow pvp!

I imagine (actually I admit) that it is probably more fulfilling to play in a full premade with good friends, but most doing this are seriously taking for granted how difficult it is to find the needle in a haystack that is e.g., 2 other like-minded, similarly skilled players that also happen to have the same time availabilities to dedicate to playing (and hoping they both main a spec that works with yours comp-wise).

A lot of the wow playerbase is past that teenage/early-mid 20s phase where you’re willing and able to play the game all day/every day, so relatively speaking, their time is more valuable (in the sense that they have less to waste), and they aren’t going to want to spend it suffering through lfg when the likelihood that doing so will result in a positive outcome is incredibly small.

I’m happy for you guys that have regular partners. Perhaps even jealous to an extent, but irl responsibilities get to a point where it’s no longer a viable option to spend hours/weeks/years trying to find partners you mesh with, let alone partners you’d like to voice with for hours on end x amount of times per week.

I love solo queue. Give me more of it please

[Gkdi-tichondrius]

PvPers ruined PvP.

There’s nothing wrong with the game having soloq option, it’s almost necessary at this point.

[Seratox-illidan]

@Gkdi-tichondrius

PvPers ruined PvP

Not entirely accurate. Half the solo shuffle issues are issues of Blizzard’s creation that are 100% out of player hands.

[Gkdi-tichondrius]

Which problems are you talking about? I think the issue that needed to be addressed was the leaver/MMR issues and healer engagements, but this could be addressed down the line.

[Swolethyr-emerald-dream]

Nice bro. Always great to see other DF enjoyers.

[Seratox-illidan]

@Gkdi-tichondrius

Which problems are you talking about?

Healer MMR gains being stifled, healer Matchmaking (2400 shouldnt be queueing against 1700 mmr.) And the resultant lack of healers because of those two points having massive adverse effect on queue times?

The fact that you didn’t think of these just means your source was “bro, trust” when you said the only problem was players.

[Gkdi-tichondrius]

I literally mentioned those and more should be addressed.

Why are you so combative?

[Demoniclily-kiljaeden (Demoniclily)]

@Seratox-illidan

Yeah if bgb becomes a full time addition I’ll probably never play arena again unless friends hit me up

It’s gonna have a 2 hours wait time.

[Whelp-shadow-council]

They need to restrict elite set/enchants to 3s or add more unique rewards to 3s for people that can’t get glad.

[Amyrii-echo-isles]

I’ve had way too many DPS scream at me in solo
Shuffle for me to care anymore. If my reward for trying is to be treated terribly then why bother.

[Holycow-uldaman]

@Demoniclily-kiljaeden

It’s gonna have a 2 hours wait time.

Not for healers and their one friend.

@Amyrii-echo-isles

I’ve had way too many DPS scream at me in solo
Shuffle for me to care anymore.

I’m not comfortable when people swap to my team and start badmouthing the other healer.

I assume they’re doing the same thing to me when they’re on the other side.

When they really go off on a furious rant, I wonder if they’re aware there’s a healer shortage. And their insults might be exacerbating the problem.

I don’t enjoy healing angry/toxic players.

[Bourbons-stormrage]

@Holycow-uldaman

I’m not comfortable when people swap to my team and start badmouthing the other healer.

I assume they’re doing the same thing to me when they’re on the other side.

When they really go off on a furious rant, I wonder if they’re aware there’s a healer shortage. And their insults might be exacerbating the problem.

I don’t enjoy healing angry/toxic players

Same. Also awkward when dps start trash talking other dps (considering they will eventually be on their team again), or when dps trash talk the healer they are now on a team with (or will be on the same team again).

On the same note, healers shouldn’t be trash talking dps either. As a dps, I don’t enjoy dpsing for angry/toxic healers.

[Holycow-uldaman]

And then there’s always that very awkward moment when someone trash talks another player who’s still on their team.

Idk if it’s accidental or intentional.

[Iamcoming-kelthuzad]

@Whelp-shadow-council

They need to restrict elite set/enchants to 3s or add more unique rewards to 3s for people that can’t get glad.

Which would kill arena participation yet again. There’s a few reason why 3v3 wasnt popular, and that is/would be one of them.

[Smlz-garrosh]

@Omnislasher-terenas

Rated 2’s and 3’s is pointless unless you’re in the top 5% pushing for it. By kiting all of the sub 2400’s away from the traditional 2’s and 3’s YOU (Blizzard) created an even MORE TOXIC environment that pushed healers away from the solo matrix of randomization phawkery, and subconsciously inspired more casual players to have a more hateful attitude towards PvPing.

2s is trash but 3s is the best game mode by a long shot. Just becuase you guys are lazy and don’t want to play it doesn’t mean this isn’t true. The ONLY issue with 3v3 is that it isn’t the path of least resistance to rewards and you guys are cringelords that just want whatever makes it easy to get rewards so you can log off

@Omnislasher-terenas

Class balance for PvP has been blindsided by ignorance. Warriors, Paladins, Hunters, and introducing new specs mid-season was the worst possible thing you could have done as designers. EVER. As someone with a degree in that field you get a big fat F for that alone.

Balance is close to the best it’s ever been with a minor blemish in 10.1.7. I’ll give them a pass with the Augmentation cringe because it’s a brand new spec introduced in the middle of an expac and they’re never done that before.

@Omnislasher-terenas

WE DO NOT WANT MORE SOLO RATED CRUD! This should be #1, but before DF is over we should just remove the concept of rated solo shuffle. The design sucks, maps suck, matchmaking (based on rating mostly) sucks, and most importantly it killed the core of what PvP should be… non SOLO 2’s and 3’s.

I actually agree with this. The main issue with solo shuffle is that it has rating tied to it which means people can acquire rewards from it. Shuffle as an easy skirmish mode to practice / just play the game stress free and an easy option to rind conquest and honor is all the game ever should have been. Adding rating was bad for a multitude of reasons.

[Othelleou-bleeding-hollow]

@Omnislasher-terenas

WE DO NOT WANT MORE SOLO RATED CRUD

Who is we?

[Hardcarried-bleeding-hollow]

Solo shuffle os my fave thing they have added to the game since Arena in BC. Could use a little refinement, but it is most likely the future of the game.