SoD Paladins & Windfurry & Seals

[Shadewalker-lone-wolf]

When does Horde get an immunity bubble and a 30-yard “chain” snare?

[Maully-wild-growth]

Man, some salty shaman tears in here lol

[Golkar-crusader-strike]

The argument for class uniqueness went out the window with sod

[Odishy-skull-rock]

Pally seals led to a lot of interesting features, in vanilla. The coding has always been strange…

While I agree that this sucks for Pallies, I wouldn’t expect a fix. It’s a can of worms the devs won’t open.

[Baldnbrash-wild-growth]

@Bigcreamy-illidan

Would probably be pretty OP to have WF proccing off of spell damage.

Let Warriors have something unique about their class.

@Neonbrown-lone-wolf

Spell is working as intended off PHYSICAL attacks. A Shaman cant proc windfury off a shock so why should you get to on a spell dmg attack?

I think OP’s issue with Wild Strikes is twofold:

1. Seal twisting with Command and Blood/Martyr in TBC/TBC Classic had Command registered as an attack, not a spell, and Command not proccing Wild Strikes is inconsistent to TBC/TBC Classic. (Also that Seal of Martyrdom can’t twist with Command, but that’s not super relevant to Windfury/Wild Strikes.)

2. Crusader Strike is an ability that deals physical damage, not holy damage, but can’t proc Wild Strikes. Meanwhile, Quick Strike - another ability that does physical damage and is obtained via a rune - can proc Wild Strikes. Divine Storm also does physical damage, not holy damage, and doesn’t proc Wild Strikes, while Whirlwind, in Classic, can proc Windfury. (Screenshot showing physical damage on both.) Whether or not Wild Strikes not affecting Crusader Strike and Divine Storm is intended or erroneous, it’s inconsistent when both base abilities and abilities granted by runes for other classes are considered physical attacks, thus can proc Windfury/Wild Strikes.

(tl;dr: SoC is a melee hit in TBC/TBC Classic and can proc WF, but can’t proc WS in SoD. CS and DS in SoD are physical damage, but can’t proc WS, while Quick Strike and other physical damage abilities can.)

At least this is how I pegged it. If OP disagrees, he’s free to correct me.

[Strath-illidan]

You nailed it man, that’s exactly what I’m getting at. I don’t even really care if pally does more damage, I just want these inconsistencies fixed, and want to be able to see more big swirly procs from fathomblade.

Thanks for being one of the few constructive replies.

[Stinkdrinker-onyxia]

@Balthalor-earthfury

Here in vanilla land you swap gear around based on exactly what you’re doing.

If a player only plays DPS spec, they really only have a single path for gear progression. Still, even pure DPS roles have some gear flexibility for situational encounters (more/less stamina, crit, hit, spell pen, etc.).

If they play a Warrior who Tanks + DPS’s, or play a hybrid and gear for their multiple playstyles, then absolutely there’s tons of gear flexibility.

[Bluetakis-rexxar]

I agree with OP Paladins seals should proc with WS.
And to further remain consistent with this logic, shaman’s WF should be able to proc off it self next season.

[Richelle-maladath]

I agree, nerf ret paladins.

[Dhurin-illidan]

Paladins dont twist seals lol weak auras does

[Windclaw-thunderhorn]

Totally agree with OP about WS proc interaction. And if not seals, at least with CS and DS.

[Slimothy-lone-wolf]

One of the strongest classes in classic? What? I assume your talking about holy healing which was the only viable spec in classic at all, which is garbage in SoD because it’s the only heal spec that got 0 runes.

[Kynsa-mankrik]

Well different seals have different effects, I think the only one really that’s an actual physical swing is Seal of Command, so that’s probably the only one that should/could possibly trigger a WF proc. The other seals shouldn’t because they aren’t a physical swing they just result a bonus effect (dmg/mana return/heal/etc) which adds to physical attacks.

[Sedarfish-stormrage]

70+ comments later…

And it’s just OP crying the entire time. Are Paladins always this whiny?

[Palayen-moon-guard]

They arent actually that good, people like them because theyre blue, unique, and look cool. At least, that is why I use them lol

[Searion-stormrage]

Yeah, I was talking to a Pally in my guild who knows how the math works for all of that and he said it’s better to use str shoulders but they should be better for tanks thanks to how righteous fury works.

[Maydenless-sargeras]

The spectrum is wide with you isnt it.

[Kazlab-living-flame]

I agree but also give shamans the 2h sauce, begin the bonkening

[Frankyflash-wild-growth]

I just came here to see if twisting was viable what is this little crybaby flame war lol

[Santi-lava-lash]

@Bonkz-living-flame

Nor do I understand the paladin hate. Nobody is hating on shamans despite you guys not realize the power spike you will attain at 40. We are bottom of the barrel melee DPS right now. Sure, it’s better than caster, but still isn’t good.

Our casters will obtain a power spike at 40. The actual bottom of the barrel Melee DPS is the Melee Shamans, who gets nothing at 40 that other melee don’t get as well.

The fact Paladins think the bottom of the barrel is themselves when Melee Shamans are even below most of the casters you alleg you’re better off than is the source of our animosity because it just shows you forget we even exist.