sorry to burst everyones bubble here, but retail arena wont die with sod, or cata.
the true retail killer is mop classic my slimes.
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If wotlk couldnât then mop definitely wonât.
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They think they didâŚbut they didnât. 
nobody wants to play wotlk because they missed the first 2 weeks and now theyâre permanently behind on gear for the whole rest of the season. and now kids are shadowmourneing us
no chance im ever booting that game up again.
but mop classic, fists of fury stun. oh baby
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Wrath shot itself in the foot though, Im assuming theyâve learned from that.
Being unable to play with your friends in spite of merged ladder was insane, and locking realm transfers so you were forced to re-level from 1-80. (Because before wrath there were free transfers) I think with specifically that until mid ulduar they self pruned a lot of potential players who wanted to get into it but missed the ride. The playerbase that remained is stable and pvpâs amazingly active for the small community it has.
That being said yeah itâs probably not even going to dent retail playerbase. AFAIK the people who play 1 donât play the other. Generally speaking. Very tribal, as wow should be.
Also generally agree with this despite playing it. They shouldâve stuck to their promise of never going backwards / only going forwards. I hate being teased with the expansions i loved but with fake patches and batching and changes lol.
I mean, it obviously depends on what class you play but as a rogue spriest noob shadowmourne has made our lives much better. for whatever reason ever since shadowmourne week all the warriors want to go me, so our win rate into wpal has like doubled.
*in modern wrath Gear wall is largely a myth unless youâre pushing gladiator, in which case itâs expected. - but even so, for example, samiyam, r1 ladder w/ awful gear. Just be better.
I had hateful 200 ilvl honour gear until the end of s7, had no issue playing 2k-2200 10 games a week. And Iâm a rat.
Iâm curious about this because I imagine a lot more people who actually played mop are still around vs wotlk. And a huge draw for classic is nostalgia. Canât have nostalgia for something you didnât play.
On the classic sub communities you already see people dreaming about classic legion and stuff.
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yah go ahead and delete this for me brotha
youre inhaling purely hydrogenated copium 100% purity
Its copium to blame the gear my friend.
Anything below glad you dont need to raid. And if youre cracked then glad is fine too, probably class / comp depending.
Id say the only thing you shouldnt skip is profession
what you wrote was âmodern wrath gear wall is largely a mythâŚâ
which is highly concentrated from walter whites laboratory 100% pure copium
Modern wrath you can go to area 52 and buy 252 ilvl elite furious weapon with 0 CR.
Live 2008 wrath youre stuck with a 232 from 5 man dungeons until 1800.
Pvp gear is all you need below the top %
Two things can simultaneously be true:
(1) Gear â especially select PvE gear â offers advantage.
(2) The depth of play back then was sufficient for a poorly geared (or even in some cases naked) player to outskill and beat a geared player. Was possible, for instance, for a naked yet skillful MM hunter to flawless a mediocre legendary dagger rogue in Cata.
which is the equivalent to honor gear in retail.
the wrath gearing wall is that you have to spend like 36 weeks getting full conquest gear and if you miss a week then you can tack on another week to that. theres no catchup mechanic.
this discounts any raiding gear of course.
you can be âcompetitiveâ with the honor gear but youre worse off and its less fun knowing players have an advantage over you because you missed the first 2 months of the season and you literally have no way to catch up except for playing every week until your full geared.
im like 3 days /played on my dk got full honor geared and got 1700 with like a negative winrate and am now getting literally destroyed by dks that do 1.5x my damage and have 12k more hp then me.
i mean it is definitely partially a skill issue, but its also just not fun. the gear wall is not insurmountable but its not worth it to play wrath arena imo.
I didnt play in them cause i didnt enjoy them⌠about to be the same for this season
No one cares about mop
cant wait for MOP classic
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And im saying that honour gear can get you duelist. What are you missing here?
Rival is like 2k-2400 last season. Youre gonna beat the top 10% of players no matter what your gear is because they make mistakes.
True. Youll always be behind if you start late. I didnt mean to deny that. Im just saying that being full wrathfuk vs being full rele for example isnt this night and day game breaking issue.
You can break 2k in 2 season old honour gear
Yeah playing dk or warrior will highlight the gear gap especially more than any other class maybe. Fair.
âthe gear wall doesnât existâ
the shadowmourne iron dwarf with 100% armor pen and an extra 2k attack power bladestorming your team that only has highly accessible furious gear:
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hmmm, somethingâs not quite right.
Game is already dead only people left are the weirdos who like sitting around afk for hours at a time to play for 5 minutes.
you cant tell the truth around here. the weirdos will cancel you
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