Yes, but what gave with the Cobra Shot stuff?
That’s wrong as it’s already near 100% mark, you don’t want to make it even worse where you’d want to cleave onto the priority target instead of off it.
They’re a good range dps with superb mobility and strong defensives which is why they’re great in raid.
That is absolutely correct, and if not impossible it at least made it drastically harder to balance.
Yea, because it’s very wrong.
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To the best of my knowledge, mobility is a selling feature for bm but never something groups look for. Like when is that last M+ or raids where people where like, gee we need some super mobile class. I think our ST damage in earlier builds were enticing for raids and even some M+ where people will literally ask for bms to go raid ST spec.
But to your credit, hunters have gotten a lot tankier thanks to some defensive changes. Pair that with Delve’s Delight not on the same global as regular potions and emergency health stones…they can almost out live most classes.
The funny part is BM is overperforming ST.
Where?
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You forgot to mention they are among the worst dps in M+ with no BM having completed a +15 or higher.
They are 100 points below both MM and Surv and 300 points below the top performing specs.
So yeah I guess BM deserved both a ST and AoE nerf to make sure they stay at the bottom of the M+ meta.
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Pretty sure this is in reference to the Kyveza logs, because BM overperforms on that fight due to it’s mobility
I’m beginning to believe the problem is Kill Cleave.
Kill Cleave makes tuning Kill Command a nightmare. If Kill Command is tuned too high for BM’s single target, then BM is the best aoe dps by a mile (amirdrassil s3). When 70% of our damage is coming from our pet’s Beast Cleave/Kill Cleave, no amount of tuning of the other abilities will impact this.
I think you are missing some words in this sentence?
Kill Cleave is actually an incredibly useful tuning knob but they refuse to use it or beast cleave and instead keep buffing multishot
Not really, because Cobra Shot was supposed to be the ST replacement for Basilisk Collar? And spamming that was not considered popular…
So when the fight plays into BM’s unique strength with BM in an ST only setup, BM STILL can’t be the best even for that ONE fight and must be nerfed so that it can’t be the best at any fight?
BM also has to lose it’s entire AoE kit to be good at ST. That always gets missed when people say BM has such good ST. They don’t have good ST in their AoE setup. That’s why they are the second to last DPS for M+ only ahead of Dev evoker because everyone plays Aug.
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Wut? I am beyond confused right now if you mean the new talents they are being used in the primary new build it just wasn’t completely mathed out until most reclears were done for the week.
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This hits home. Its like before the start of the season the devs get together and say “Who is going to be meta this season?” instead of balancing all specs / classes. Stuff seems predetermined, and the balancing is wildly all over the place. However the top meta classes seem to stay on top for the entire season.
Then next season comes and “New meta” classes take over. Rinse and repeat. Its like they have completely given up on balancing the game as a whole, and now use this new moronic “system” for us to endure.
It is pure herp a derp.
Aye, I suppose. I meant the design philosophy behind it all.
Its a talent option that reduces our reliance on haste / rng in ST situation and makes BM nicer to play in low haste options so we don’t have to drop frenzy.
BM hunter is the only class in wow that is consistently being punished for its playstyle and associated damage.
I am slowly getting really tired of constantly being the punching bag for my play choice. Yes there are other classes that are at the bottom of whatever tier list out there but all of them can be redeemed in one way or another; being they’re buffs that they can bring or unique utilities, all of which outshines that of hunters.
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As someone who got CE every single raid tier except for two (when i didn’t raid) I have never/rarely felt like i’m punished for playing BM and in ± all of those cases it was related to pet pathing / pet AI limitations (Sire / Rage / etc)
While BM isn’t FOTM as often as Mage/Lock it is still consistently solid dps, and fairly useful for prog.
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I’m so sick of this. It makes me feel like I’m wasting my time. I love my hunter and I feel like a yo-yo with this crap constantly. I don’t know why hunters aren’t allowed to be good. They have burned me out with this and I kinda don’t even want to do it anymore.
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Neltharax nerf still hurts down in me 
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I gave up here. All the specs in the game are so broke that it’s hard to figure out what bliz median target is supposed to be. The fact there is a single and AOE spec is amazing to me.
I use to hate other games for not having skill trees and I liked the original vanilla scheme in wow. The trees are nothing but math any more. There is no choice. This is largely because the end game is designed around the meta.
It is clear that the hunter class leads have never played hunter. They use public data to make knee jerk decisions. They have no clear goal for the three specs or their hero classes.
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