So why is Stormwind allowed to occupy Durotar

And to be clear, I’m not saying that either view is wrong. I’m just saying it’s one of those that’s very susceptible to bias.

Zerde might say that if Thrall hadn’t stopped her the first time, Jaina might have changed her mind before anyone actually died. Erevein might say it was three attempts because people had to talk to her on round three and also it was her fault to begin with.

Sledgehammer might say, “I have a headache” and go get some coffee.

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I would say it counts as six attempted genocides by Jaina. Two for the tidal waves, one for the final talking-to, and all doubled for drowning babies intentions.

My logic is flawless and my reasoning is beyond question, and if you disgaree then you are condoning baby drowning.

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I can see a certain someone unironically disagreeing with you :rofl:

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I feel like irony is being mangled here but whatever.

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Liiiiiike raaaaaain on your tidal wave day~

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While many people have called for the deaths of their enemy in this franchise - Jaina’s thirst for drowning children does help to explain why she remains a spinster auntie of Anduin

Perhaps it is best she doesn’t deal with infants, and is just an auntie to grown kids.

Jaina sounds like Susan Smith on a grand scale.

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What, murdering kiddos is only for men?

Lots of orc dudes stabbed draenei children in the face and yet went on to have offspring!

Just because Sylvanas literally (and Jaina potentially) murdered kiddos and they’re both single at the moment is no reason to assume. For shame.

I see you reworking that thought.

But anyway, Tess is also single and hasn’t murdered any children (even potentially) at all that we know of! It’s NOT A RULE CURSE

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Just to compare Jaina to Susan Smith, as far as their lust for drowning children. Jaina’s desire to drown children reminded me of that case in the 90s

Unlike the real life tragedy, Jaina’s actual baby murder count remains at zero. (As far as we know, dundunDUN.)

A proclivity for potential infanticide needn’t impact one’s relationship status if properly managed.

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Thrall gave a diatrabe about destroying Stormwind and presumably killing anyone living in during the elemental bond quest. Do we chalk that against him too?

Thrall says: ALL ARE GUILTY! ALL MUST PAY!

And speaking of attempts, if we are counting failed attempt, then how many failed Horde attempts did they have? Whether it be Sylvanas already plotting on sending forsaken pretending to want to reunite with their family only to open SW’s gates, or the Horde being beaten back by the Alliance during the first war, only to siege Stormwind a second time? Like if you want to count that way, I am sure the Horde will come out on top.

Look.

Jaina wished to drown all the green babies, this is true. But at no point did she wish to drown human babies!!

Jaina’s incanticide is strictly limited to racist inclinations, and should be no means represent a general desire to drown all the world’s babies. I’m sure had she and Varian hooked up, Anduin would have some lovely, undrowned half-siblings.

Whether or not he would have force conscripted those half-siblings into war with the Horde like he did the poor farmers is another matter.

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Yeah, the context of Thrall’s own diatrabe presumes he isn’t blaming all orcs either:

Thrall says: RAISED AS A SLAVE… TO KILL FOR HUMAN AMUSEMENT…
Thrall says: DEATH WAS TOO GOOD FOR BLACKMOORE. ANYONE WHO WOULD ENSLAVE ANOTHER… DESERVES WORSE THAN DEATH!
Thrall says: ALL ARE GUILTY! ALL MUST PAY!

Nope. I refuse to ship it.

All ships involving Varian are gross, including retroactively Tiffin.

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No, that was a fragment of Thrall, his distilled anger without the rest of him holding it in check. He expressed his hate and anger, but made to attempt to act on it.

This is a terrible reach Zerde, but I know you cannot see that.

Karebear was right, and you couldn’t even wait two hours to prove it.

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There has never been anything to suggest Varian or Jaina ever liked each other in that manner.

And Jaina just had a traumatic event trust on her and the mana bomb was apperently messing with her mind.

Nope, its proof you will find an excuse to justify genocide for Horde characters and ignore extenuating circumstances for Alliance ones.

Man, you are really desperate for my attention today, huh? Taking my obvious joke literally?

That’s special, Zerde.

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I like the line that we agree must not be crossed that Alynsa TRAMPLED ALL OVER is Varian/Jaina ships.

Everyone knows the best terrible Jaina ship is Sylvanas, dangit.

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As foretold in ancient prophecy.

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Your inflated ego is showing again.

Not in this timeline or any timeline.