If you hate something of what they are that is racist. Even more so if you think complete eradication(in par with their allies who didn’t take part in any war til then) is basically Hitler by the books.
Nobody’s been justifying that tho. You’re making this up once again, just because you want justifiable genocide.
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Grommash was never captured. And half the Horde was born in the camps. One day without an alliance poster wanting to delete the Horde: 0.
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To the best of my knowledge, we never got hard and fast numbers on how much of the modern Horde orcs are veterans of the old wars.
Seems sort of like night elves – it can’t be all of them, but there’s absolutely a proportion that remember events from ten thousand years ago. Or don’t eat pork.
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We aren’t given specific numbers for anything really.
The fact that Orcs seem to reach adulthood fast makes things complicated.
Though it would be interesting seeing the interactions between “Draenorian” Orcs and Azerothian Orcs.
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It depends on the story whoever is writing wants to tell.
Obviously, there’s a lot of built-in pathos and interest in writing an orc from that era, but there’s also a lot of baggage. So sometimes it’s more handy to write about relatively innocent fresh faces, unburdened by the past as they forge their future… And sometimes it’s convenient to emphasize the weight of history, regret, pride, old Draenor, all that jazz.
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Well, by now it’s be an even more interesting dynamic.
Azerothian-born orcs, pre- and post-world shattering draenor-born orcs, Alt-draenor-born orcs. Post-Orgrimmar and pre-Orgrimmar orcs.
The orcs have been on a pretty wild ride as a species, with a whole hell of a lot of shake-ups.
I wish to see some interaction between a post-world shattering Draenor Mag’har orc and an Alt-Draenor Mag’har orc.
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One thing I would love to see more of in general is casual interactions between characters. Regular conversations really flesh out the world and build the setting. I like the stay a while and listens, but we could use more for minor characters or even unnamed ones. Give us the opinions of the orc on the ground.
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Yeah, things like scripted interactions between NPCs having conversations that you randomly stumble into? Those are part of my jam. My favorite thing in Valdrunken is those little things like in the bank when the dracthyr yells “for the Hoard” and the other people there explain that’s not what that means. I like seeing the world as a living thing, with conversations being had. And it’s a great tool for world-building.
Have orcs of different life stages talk about how different things are now. Have a Gilnean and a Stormwindian married couple talk about the rebuilding efforts in Gilneas and which city they want to live in. Little stuff like that which shouldn’t take a lot of development time.
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Still mad Orcs don’t have their own name for the world like Arakkoa and Ogres and still use the Draenei name. The illiterate savages stuff needs to stop.
Saurfang said hundreds. Ain’t seem much when we realize it numbers in tens of thousands. Even if they kept capturing new Orcs which ain’t seems right after dark portal was shut.
It was the legion, and just like how night elf’s almost did it too. They were just lucky they got bailed out by everyone.
Genocide is never justified.
You throw out dubious attacks, but I will not be baited off the point.
Genodice is never justified.
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By this point alliance reject all of horde efforts for peace. They were out right hostile and attacked horde on sight.
So say it. Thrall was wrong for freeing war criminals that were in the internment camps and making a new army of them.
Why?
Will you stop justifying genocide if I do? Do you actually need that to stop defending justifiable genocide? Or racial guilt? Where the crimes of some are attributed to all?
What would change if I gave in to your RP diplomat demands?
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Is this some fetish you have that you need to be correct?
Nothing at all, just them thinking they just need to keep pushing, this is the same bs kids get up to.
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You are claiming no one is justifying it and yet you won’t even say it was wrong? In the words of Hazbin hotel " Was I too naïve to expect you to heed the morals you’re purveying?"
I have never rped on the story forums and have no intention of ever doing so in the SF(and If I did I would specifically mention it), gaslighter. So, if you keep accusing me of that, then I will take that to mean my nickname for you is accurate.
Because I don’t see the point in catering to your weird demands. You won’t even address what I get in exchange. What behavior will you change if I give you want you so desperately want? You want me to fulfill some need of yours, so what’s in it for me?
Why must I disavow something nobody has claimed?
Then what exactly is this thing with trying to negotiate some series of neverending demands? If this isn’t RP, then what exactly is it about?
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Deflections. Fun.
All the more reason this should be easy. Because you are tacitly approving it. Again, if you say no one support it then prove it. Say it was wrong. It is that easy.
A heated discussion.
Yes, you are deflecting, thank you for acknowledging it. What do I get from catering to your weird demands? What’s the exchange here? What’s in this for me?
Not at all. You aren’t disavowing racism. Does that mean you think racism is just fine and good?
I’d say no.
Then you must cool off, because I’m not heated in this discussion at all. I just want you to explicitly state what I get out of catering to your weird demands, which you have repeatedly not expressed.
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