Yeah them being mostly orphans is also incredibly exceptional, rather than the gigantic masses of first and second war veterans who surrendered and weren’t executed.
Yes!! Yes it is, which is why it’s very weird you keep insisting they must be. That is literally an argument only you are making.
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My argument is that they’re mostly first and second war veterans, and that any orphans or people born in camps would have been a minority.
Also on side note: Not certain they’d be making babies like crazy the moment they got into Durnholde, I don’t really feel like there would have been a insane amount of births in these camps.
And your argument is based purely on your own head canon and some weird notion that every child born to orcs must be an orphan or camp-kid. Kids could have been born before the camps, with at least one living parent. This isn’t even exceptional or unusual. I don’t even know how to engage with this here, because your mind seems oblivious to some very basic and simple concepts here.
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The timeline doesn’t give you that number.
But I’m not going to be distracted from the important point. Genocide is never justified. It doesn’t matter if 80% of them are innocent people being killed because of their race, or 70%. It is wrong. It is immoral. It is racist.
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And the Horde commited how many genocides? Thrall release war criminals. Releasing war criminal who commited genocide should not be justifiable either and yet here we all are. The fact we have a questline in DF showing a Dragonmaw orc living to old age is proof of that.
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It’s not surprising you completely missed the message of that quest line. And that being that people deserve a chance at atonement for the mistakes they made in their lives
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Oh I got the message. If that is the case then I want that pushed further, if the orcs should not be defined by their mistakes, then neither should Daelin.
Too late, daelin already died a racist hypocrite and didn’t feel guilty for what he attempted to do
The old dragon maw orc tried to make amends for his past actions and still felt he wasn’t worthy.
Huge difference between both
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Then I guess its too late for the Horde, they will always have the mark of being a genocidal war machine to their name.
Racial guilt is never okay zerde. We been over this
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Honestly I dont agree. A bit of racial guilt is probably a good thing. If nothing else it might remind certain nations/people of their failing and maybe hope to do better.
It’s never a good thing. Ever. End of discussion
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Yes it is, and maybe if certain nations in the real world actually felt some shame/guilt over their past errors we wouldnt be where we are now.
Ohhhhh man, I’m not sure I can tackle that uncaffienated.
It’s not a bad idea to learn from the mistakes of one’s ancestors, try to to better, and maybe even balance the scales where ethical and feasible. Circumstances vary, though.
And I wouldn’t parse that knotty ball of wax and thorns down to a one sentence always, personally.
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Blaming innocent people for the actions of their government and their ancestors is and always will remain wrong zerde.
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Except 1) a good deal of those individuals were alive when said event happen and actively participated 2) said government have either tried to downplay their own role(case in point Thrall with Garrosh) or have never paid reparation and ultimately these lesson were never learned and mistakes were repeated. 3) we are not blaming individuals here, we are blaming governments and institutions and well if Thrall wanted to claim to be Horde he and his organization gets to be that with all the baggage that entails.
-stares at camera even harder-
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I like redemption stories, i like when people stop being evil and change their ways, and I understand for some there is always the sour “character didn’t pay enough for their crimes”.
But I think someone changing for good is a better outcome than remaining evil just because they “went too far”.
The thing about Daelin, racism or no racism, He never got to regret his actions or try to change. And thats kinda the big factor necessary for redemption stories.
Same for Garrosh, blizzard hammered over and over how he never had any regrets and would do everything again.
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In fairness, it kind of made sense that he hadn’t come to repent his ways in SL, as Denathrius’ followers were more interested in just farming anima than properly atoning and redeeming the souls in their care
Had he been overseen by the Accuser or another venthyr still loyal to the purpose of Revendreth, he may well have eventually come around to seeing the wrong in his past deeds and wanting to make things right.
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