You do have to admit she is genocidal. She did try to drown every man, woman, child and living thing in Orgimmar. She also killed thousands at Lorderon with no remorse. She tried to kill me personally in Zandalar. The ice witch is not stable.
She did that after Garrosh destroyed her city and killed significant people to her.
Then his army returned to Orgrimmar to celebrate.
And Thrall killed trillions when he took boats in Lordaeron in Warcraft 3.
A) The population of her precious little military outpost Theramore, which was launching attacks against the peaceful Taurens, pales in comparison to the densely populated capital city of Orgrammar.
B) Does hitting a miliary outpost really warrant the genocide of a civilian population?
c) Were we even discussing Thrall? What does he have to do with Jaina being a genocidal maniac?
Ah whatever I don’t care, you want to self delude yourself about a game story as terrible as this be my guest.
With the civilian population already evacuated.
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Later captured and tortured to death in orgrimmar. We see them in the raid.
But I guess that makes it ok. 
I will not try to defend her attempt to drown Orgrimmar, or claim it wasn’t an unhinged thing to do (albeit one she was talked down from after a horrible experience, take that as you will). But to say she killed “thousands” at Lordaeron is probably a huge overstatement, not to mention that was a battle in which two armies were fighting each other after the Horde provoked the Alliance. She tried to kill “you personally” at Zandalar, because you were also part of the forces she is fighting against.
To claim that Jaina is genocidal simply because she participates in war, when all the while you’re wistfully reminiscing about dictatorships under people who do exactly that and more, is an odd stance to take. Besides, none of what you listed is even the best example of her crimes - if you wanted to convince me Jaina was bad, cite the Purge. I won’t argue that kicking people’s doors open in the night to arrest them, or kill them if they resist, over the unconfirmed actions of their leader was a stable thing to do.
I will also not argue whether or not it’s genocide however, because you seem like you would call someone giving you a dirty look genocidal.
We weren’t discussing Teldrassil, yet you brought it up in comparison to a wall that Jaina blew open. These are examples being given to try and recontextualize the odd statements you’re making.
I mean, your first comment in this thread claims the Horde needs to get back to a dictator who participates in war (comparing it to Roman Emperors who did that), yet you claim Jaina Proudmoore is unstable and genocidal because she participates in wars the opposing force started. I mean, you can like who you like, but you’ve clearly got a bias here. It’s insane and unhinged when Jaina fights members of the Horde attacking her because she’s Alliance, but it’s a great show of leadership when Sylvanas burns Teldrassil because she’s Horde.
It’s uninteresting to discuss things with such a shallow point of view.
Thats what a bomb falling on your head does to you.
Dreadmoore’s headcanon for the rise of the Kaldorei empire.
Where we don’t have a lot of information, so everyone has a habit of inserting their favorite version of events and claiming it’s obvious that that’s what happened and any other version is deluded wishful thinking. This applied to both the ancient night elves expanding into largely empty territory and the EMPIRE OF BLOOD BRINGS PEACE version.
We can speculate and there’s nothing wrong with positing theories for what went down in that era, of course, but concrete information is a bit harder to come by, so there’s lots of space for interpretation.
It’s a play on Pax Romana, which is more the blood empire.
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Dreadmoore’ cringe behavior aside… You know a time traveling expansion into ancient Kalimdor would be pretty cool.
I mean, it’s a perfectly valid interpretation. I just take umbrage at it being presented as facts.
I would like to see more done with the caverns of time in general. I have fun with them most of the times it comes up.
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Its not so much the interpretation but the marketing tagline he chose.
Pax… Nelf-ana? lol
The biggest issue I take with it is that Nelf is not terminology used within the Warcraft Universe - Nelf is an abbreviation for Night Elves used by the players. Nobody in-lore uses the term Nelf.
If anything, the Pax whatever phrase would use the term Kaldorei, since I believed the term Night Elf came about much later once a distinction between elves needed to be made. Though I don’t particularly think it would be “Pax” anything, given that the Kaldorei Empire doesn’t really draw any inspiration from the Roman Empire - other than that they’re both empires, I guess.
Also I’m unsure why Dreadmoore is under the impression people should know what Pax Nelfana is supposed to be - it’s not an established title. You can just say “the Kaldorei Empire,” and everyone will know what that is.
I agree, but if there absolutely had to be a term describing the empire itself by the NE’s themselves it would Kal’Thalas; Moon kingdom or Kaldorei Thalas and after Azshara’s reign which is probably the most probable “Pax Romana” term would even be assigned if anyone was familiar with the term’s significance… my guess would be Azshari’Thalas.
I am just going based off of what known Darnassian we know.
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The term “genocide” gets thrown around on these forums mostly inaccurately. The definition requires the intent kill people of a certain race. Garrosh killing non-Orcs in Ogrimmar was genocide. He was killing people because they weren’t Orcs. Jaina’s attempt to destroy Orgrimmar was attempted genocide. She wanted Orcs dead because they were Orcs. There aren’t many other examples. Mass killing of people because they are in the way, or something, isn’t genocide. But that doesn’t make it “no evil”.
But here’s the thing. People will argue passionately about this. And it seems to be the idea that if it isn’t “genocide” it isn’t “really evil”. Somehow, if you kill thousands, it is really wrong unless you can attach the label “genocide” to it? Mass murder isn’t really wrong unless you can call it genocide?
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That’s not remotely true
Chronicle confirms that the lowborn loved azshara’s racism and began hating the other races, too.
The lowborn helped expand her empire .
This isn’t a case of sins of the father: they are literally the people that committed the crime.
Oh using it just got better.
They’re not but since your just going to repeat it ad naseum anyway. I’m not even interested in having a pointless argument over it
Wrong. She wanted Garrosh and the Horde dead. Their races did not play a role in it.
Night Elves live so rent free in your head that you had make up a word to describe it. 
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I have literally posted the screenshots well over twenty times in the past two years.
I will be posting them when I get home.
Nevermind, found a post wherein I posted them.
