So uhh... AV

[Sideous-grobbulus]

uhh i already addressed this, the fact that u brought it up again, well, no need to answer it further.

You’re going to hang onto your view no matter what facts are presented. We have a word for this. Several in fact.

[Holywar-herod]

sideous i can see u reeally want attention, fine, lay out ur claim again, and if i crush ur claim, leave my thread please? leave no cracks, cuz im smashing through.

[Vandolize-benediction]

thats great… WSG was the meta in vanilla… should have always been the meta here

I’m glad we can agree on that!

[Holywar-herod]

wsg will always be the meta, the thing is, people want their gear first, and best way to get that is to AV until blizzard

[Frostmoon-illidan]

AV will still be the meta once WSG is only premade vs premade with no timer.

[Tayta-zuljin]

we need the leader roll to mark certain people for certain rolls.

It’s that serious, huh?

i play the pally warmaster roll, it helps us move at the pace we are trying to set.

Helps but not necessary. Like Pre-Mades. They help, but they’re not necessary.

if u cant give assist, a literal 1 click, ur being a toxic player period.

Hold on, let’s dig deeper into the word “can’t”. Can’t as in won’t, or can’t as in unable to? See, I’ve met plenty of people that seriously can’t, not won’t, but can’t figure out how to /ginvite, even though I’ve told them, multiple times, how to do it. They know how to invite to a party. So, somebody with a learning curve isn’t being Toxic. Neither is refusing to pass the Leader Role. They’re not the ones actually hurting your Account. The Pre-Mades are. The Pre-Mades use intimidation tactics, over the Leader Role/Assist and are actually abusing the Silence System, for the completely wrong reasons. Learn to play without Markers.

sure, 95% is not a garanteed win, but by golly did u really say that? wow. just wow.

You’re the one who made the false claim about guaranteeing a win. I just reminded you that you couldn’t. Not, if you’re dependent on Raid Markers, to do it.

imagine u going raiding with ur guild, and u screwing everyone over by doing something that the guild asked u to do but u specifically are eh, screwum, yea, thats what ur doing.

But these people aren’t even in your Guild nor Pre-Made. And want to run AV, that’s not exactly your same strategy. They’re PuGs, and Pre-Mades think they own PuGs, newsflash, they don’t. You have to learn how to work and deal with PuGs.

idk what other premades are like

Bullies, that’s what they’re like.

but of the 800+ in ours, it was like a mc raid every run, fun and games joking around

Exactly how it should be. Not demanding for Leader Role/Assist, for Raid Markers to be placed, so you can function better.

except for 3 specific spots where joking stops and its businuss time.

Yeah, 'cause AV is serious business.

so no, there is no defense.

Yes, there is. Just because you plug your ears saying “la la la I can’t hear you”, doesn’t change that.

GO SOLO QUESTING, if ur part of a group, u dont get to solo. dont like it? go wpvp by urself.

Concur, you need to work as a Team. Completely dismissing your PuG Members, is not working, as a Team. You’re just ignoring the PuGs and goofing off with your “33+ Friends”. Difference.

[Sideous-grobbulus]

sideous i can see u reeally want attention,

As if your thread isn’t just an attention seeking attempt to cause inflammatory discussion.

fine, lay out ur claim

It’s not my claim. It’s facts and they fly in the face of your inflammatory claims that this is Horde’s fault. You know it too.

if i crush ur claim, leave my thread please? l

A) ignoring facts is not “crushing a claim”
B)This is a public thread. I’ll post where ever, when ever, and what ever I please.
C) You’d love for people to agree with you but the fact of the matter is you’re wrong. So. No. I won’t allow you your echo chamber.
Go get mommy to agree with your bs. The rest of us know what’s really going on here.

[Brainz-westfall]

but this current av is all hordes fault

You show ignorance when you make subjective blanket claims.

[Holywar-herod]

if u cant give assist, a literal 1 click, ur being a toxic player period.

Hold on, let’s dig deeper into the word “can’t”. Can’t as in won’t, or can’t as in unable to? See, I’ve met plenty of people that seriously can’t, not won’t, but can’t figure out how to /ginvite, even though I’ve told them, multiple times, how to do it. They know how to invite to a party. So, somebody with a learning curve isn’t being Toxic. Neither is refusing to pass the Leader Role. They’re not the ones actually hurting your Account. The Pre-Mades are. The Pre-Mades use intimidation tactics, over the Leader Role/Assist and are actually abusing the Silence System, for the completely wrong reasons. Learn to play without Markers.

goes to the premade, i have a macro that literally explains how to do it. so i ur right, its wont. when u say learn to play without markers… wow just wow. i hope u take that attitude in BWL. known as the first guild crusher dungeon… just… wow. imagine not utilizing what is given to u in order to play the game.

You’re the one who made the false claim about guaranteeing a win.

i specifically said this in the first post to u

we almost garantee u a damn win,

wow. just wow. stop gas lighting people. thats not what i said i said almost garantee u a damn win, and if u wont give 1 click to get that, wow, just WOW.

But these people aren’t even in your Guild nor Pre-Made. And want to run AV, that’s not exactly your same strategy. They’re PuGs, and Pre-Mades think they own PuGs, newsflash, they don’t. You have to learn how to work and deal with PuGs

ur right, they arent in my guild. but our goals are highly aligned to the point that in order to get into some of these premades u have to have FAPS, Sappers, mount speeds. theres 33+ of us, thats MINIMUM. id say our average is 35. so ur next point is wrong, at that point, NEWS FLASH, PUGS ARE IN OUR GAME. the perfect example is the EU server thats 99% horde now. whose server is it again?

[quote=“Tayta-zuljin, post:47, topic:427633”]

idk what other premades are like

Bullies, that’s what they’re like.

so what? mine aint, u said so urself. u called other premades bullies, thats their problem. Thank you.

[quote=“Tayta-zuljin, post:47, topic:427633”]

but of the 800+ in ours, it was like a mc raid every run, fun and games joking around

Exactly how it should be. Not demanding for Leader Role/Assist, for Raid Markers to be placed, so you can function better.

already addressed in the beginning. insane.

except for 3 specific spots where joking stops and its businuss time.

Yeah, 'cause AV is serious business.

LOL yes! it really seems like ur salty and never had the chance to join a premade and u never experienced a good time.

so no, there is no defense.

Yes, there is. Just because you plug your ears saying “la la la I can’t hear you”, doesn’t change that.

taking 1 quote and not actually addressing a specific issue, no defense. automatic loss aint? wow.

GO SOLO QUESTING, if ur part of a group, u dont get to solo. dont like it? go wpvp by urself.

Concur, you need to work as a Team. Completely dismissing your PuG Members, is not working, as a Team. You’re just ignoring the PuGs and goofing off with your “33+ Friends”. Difference.

if ur not part of the premade and u got in, u have 3 choices dude

1 - click that checkmark like a normal human or ask how like a normal human. then do whatever u want of the next 2 choices

2 - NOTHING / whatever u want : SWEET DEAL for a 95% chance of winning aint it?

3 - follow the group, especially the marked people, most just protect square and diamond. like a team player.

[Cauchy-heartseeker]

horde is literally to blame for constantly complaining about AV

There were just as many Alliance complaints. All those AVs that got opened and abandoned were miserable.

[Holywar-herod]

sideous i can see u reeally want attention,

As if your thread isn’t just an attention seeking attempt to cause inflammatory discussion.

fine, lay out ur claim

It’s not my claim. It’s facts and they fly in the face of your inflammatory claims that this is Horde’s fault. You know it too.

if i crush ur claim, leave my thread please? l

A) ignoring facts is not “crushing a claim”
B)This is a public thread. I’ll post where ever, when ever, and what ever I please.
C) You’d love for people to agree with you but the fact of the matter is you’re wrong. So. No. I won’t allow you your echo chamber.
Go get mommy to agree with your bs. The rest of us know what’s really going on here.

so to summarize, i didnt feel like scouring the 50 posts lookinng for 1 post u made that said idk what, and u brought it back up specifically lookinng for attention, and when asked what it is that ur talking about, u said actually nothing, so to the orignal thought, AUTOMATIC LOSS

a) ignoring facts? what facts? u said nothing, automatic loss
B)public thread? lol it obviously went way over ur head.
c) echo chamber? its VERY obvious i made this post to CHALLENGE PEOPLE. WOW DID U LOSE IT, WOW WOW WOW. its pretty obvious im 1/2 here to even troll some of the horde, WOW did u not get it. i cant fit all the WOWS!

cauchy, yes, already brought up in the thread, but again, if horde didnt turtle, we wouldlnt need premades in the first place, cuz like i said, 30+ alliance can get crushed by 1 horde with a fear bomb annd 4 warmasters gets pulled, is that fair? thats the difference. u want to pvp? go wsg. av is literally here to get honor and get out.

[Tayta-zuljin]

when u say learn to play without markers… wow just wow.

Yes, learn to play without Markers. It may not be as smooth, but it can be done.

i hope u take that attitude in BWL. known as the first guild crusher dungeon… just… wow.

You’re comparing apples to oranges. A PuG vs a Guild, between a BG and a Raid. BGs are completely different than Raids. Raids, you have a choice to take PuGs, BGs, you really don’t. And I can tell, the Pre-Mades want nothing to do with the PuGs. If they can run BGs, without them, they would. Why else would you be so mad, about not being able to Mark stuff? 'Cause your Pre-Made is not in control nor should be, so you abuse the Silencing System, as a way to gain back control. Disgusting.

imagine not utilizing what is given to u in order to play the game.

'Cause they’re not necessary. I don’t deny it makes things “easier”, but why stick to the same 'ol routine? Why not change things up, a little bit and give yourself a challenge? Actually challenge yourself instead of being so dependent on other things, to get yourself, through the Game.

i specifically said this in the first post to u

I’ll concede to this, and only this. But it’s still not a reason to be Silencing people’s Accounts because things aren’t going your way.

wow. just wow. stop gas lighting people. thats not what i said i said almost garantee u a damn win, and if u wont give 1 click to get that, wow, just WOW.

I already conceded, to that point which still doesn’t excuse bullying behavior.

ur right, they arent in my guild. but our goals are highly aligned to the point that in order to get into some of these premades u have to have FAPS, Sappers, mount speeds. theres 33+ of us, thats MINIMUM. id say our average is 35. so ur next point is wrong, at that point

Not everyone wants to be in a Pre-Made, though. Some people just want to play one round of AV, and that’s it. You got people that want to do nothing but Fish, in AV. You got people just working on Quests, and you got people that want to win the AV. It’s a mixed bag of people with different goals, in AV.

NEWS FLASH, PUGS ARE IN OUR GAME. the perfect example is the EU server thats 99% horde now. whose server is it again?

WRONG! AV is not owned by any Player, Pre-Made or no Pre-Made. It is open to anyone willing to play it. That’s your problem, you think you own the Game, but you do not. Like you said, I’m right about the PuGs not being in your Group Make-Up, but you come in demanding people conform to your style. Tell me how exactly is that working as a Team?

so what?

Being a Bully doesn’t grant you ownership over AV, just because you’re in a Pre-Made and think you own it.

mine aint, u said so urself. u called other premades bullies, thats their problem. Thank you.

You think you’re not a bully, but you have yet to say you don’t threaten PuG Members to pass over the Leader Role/Assist Role, so you can have your precious Markers. And are, in fact, defending this behavior by pointing the fingers at the PuG Members, because they didn’t pass the Leader Role/Assign Assist. That’s your problem, that you’re not understanding, thank you.

already addressed in the beginning. insane.

Did you? You just said that you “accept” Pre-Mades made it hard (or hurt) on PuGs:

i accept premades hurt alliance pugs, conversely, we wouldnt need premades in the first place if everyone did av for the honor it was ment for, and go pvp in wsg like it was ment for. u wanna clash raid vs raid? go southshore. thats that.

While still blindly thinking that “none of this woulda happened” had they conformed to your idea, of what AV should be like, in the first place. Still you thinking that you own AV, NEWSFLASH, you still don’t. No matter how hard you try.

LOL yes! it really seems like ur salty and never had the chance to join a premade and u never experienced a good time.

It really isn’t that serious. What is serious is purposefully hindering people’s accounts, for no reason. And, that’s cute, you actually think I PvP. My Post just said Horde didn’t have to worry about getting their Accounts Silenced because Alliance Pre-Mades didn’t get their Leader Role/Assist and Raid Markers. I read what people actually have to say, and if I were to PvP, I wouldn’t have to worry about getting my account actioned because some salty Pre-Made didn’t get their way.

taking 1 quote and not actually addressing a specific issue, no defense. automatic loss aint? wow.

I did address, with the many other points, I made. And defended it, quite well. Haven’t really lost, only you did. It’s amazing, isn’t it?

if ur not part of the premade and u got in, u have 3 choices dude

1 - click that checkmark like a normal human or ask how like a normal human. then do whatever u want of the next 2 choices

2 - NOTHING / whatever u want : SWEET DEAL for a 95% chance of winning aint it?

3 - follow the group, especially the marked people, most just protect square and diamond. like a team player.

That’s if they passed the Leader Role/Assist. They seem to not have a choice, in what happens to their Account, when the Pre-Made doesn’t get their way and gets actioned for it. You’re still not addressing the Bullying nature Pre-Mades caused to their own Community Members.

[Ocisly-pagle]

huh? no one is complaining about queue times. If Horde want to PVP then you go PVP out in the world while farming and in queue.

oof, you sure?

[Chizz-burning-blade]

thing is, the faster alliance ques and games are, the FASTER we can re-que and thus making horde ques shorter,

I would rather have a 2-3 hour que and a 40 min game, than a 45min que and a 10 min game. I play BG’s to have fun, not min max and there is nothing fun about a boss race.

[Sideous-grobbulus]

so to summarize, i didnt feel like scouring the 50 posts lookinng for 1 post u made that said idk what, and u brought it back up specifically lookinng for attention, and when asked what it is that ur talking about, u said actually nothing, so to the orignal thought, AUTOMATIC LOSS

It’s your thread. Maybe if you can’t keep up don’t post?

, but again, if horde didnt turtle, we wouldlnt need premades in the first place

Lol.
Oh I see. Pvp happened in a bg and it makes you salty. Got it.

obvious im 1/2 here to even troll

Oh it’s way over half. It’s like 7/8. The other 1/8 is you seeking attention.

ignoring facts?

Yes. That’s what you’re doing.

what facts?

The fact that your premades screwed over solo alliance players to the point you guys made games that started out so lopsided allies had no chance of winning.
You’re ignoring this fact. You’re ignoring what premades did to the whole system overall to blame Horde.
The fact that solo alliance players complained anout what you did to them.
You’re ignoring the fact that those solo players found a way to game your premade system.
If it wasn’t a problem for them. Why were they crying and looking for a way around your premade system?
Again. Facts. That you choose to ignore.

if horde didnt turtle

Here’s another fact for you. Engaging in the pvp in a battleground is not turtling. It’s pvp.
Another fact. When your premades run into a properly executed Mighty Horde D. They /afk out cuz pvp happened.

cuz like i said, 30+ alliance can get crushed by 1 horde with a fear bomb annd 4 warmasters gets pulled, is that fair?

Absolutely it’s fair. It’s called pvp. You have options to stop it. Maybe kill the warmasters or kill the player before he gets the fear off.
Oh wait killing the warmasters would slow you down and stopping the fear would require engaging in the pvp. Both of those go against your meta. So we know /afk out cuz the one strat you’ve done for 15 years somehow failed. Wonder why that is?
Engage the pvp or stay salty. Your choice.

[Liq-kromcrush]

Another day another alliance premade player more concerned about horde queues than the actual horde players, hilarious.

Your concern is not needed but noted.

[Brokenwind-grobbulus]

i accept premades hurt alliance pugs, conversely, we wouldnt need premades in the first place if everyone did av for the honor it was ment for, and go pvp in wsg like it was ment for. u wanna clash raid vs raid? go southshore. thats that.

Translation:
“ we wouldn’t need premades if you just rolled over and allowed us to zerg unimpeded”

[Lifelesgamer-ashkandi]

I’m not convinced anything was directly influenced at the Horde.

Premades screwing over their own faction (alliance) can be seen with certainty in some of the patch notes. 1.)starting 5vs40 was a premade problem entirely. 2.)removal of the bg number really didn’t change anything by itself, premades stated they would circumvent it before it was implemented. 3.)Non instant alliance queues is interesting and could easily be said to stop 1 and 2, reality is we don’t know unless Blizz actually tells us the reason.

[Holywar-herod]

Yes, learn to play without Markers. It may not be as smooth, but it can be done.

wow such a bad troll lol

You’re comparing apples to oranges. A PuG vs a Guild, between a BG and a Raid. BGs are completely different than Raids. Raids, you have a choice to take PuGs, BGs, you really don’t. And I can tell, the Pre-Mades want nothing to do with the PuGs. If they can run BGs, without them, they would. Why else would you be so mad, about not being able to Mark stuff? 'Cause your Pre-Made is not in control nor should be, so you abuse the Silencing System, as a way to gain back control. Disgusting.

ur asserting that the premade is not my guild. ur right, it doesnt say my guilds name by their characters name u are right about that. but u keep missing the point. if i see these same guys game after game after game for so many hours a day, u might as well call it a second guild dude. u just dont seem to get that. u know what its like? its like a group of people coming together that wants to do mc, the same group of people u see day in and day out, u have easily the lions share of the people for a 40 man raid into mc, but ur just missing that 5ish people. so. does the 5ish people get to dictate to the group? no? oops.

like i said, idk how other premades do it, but my premade aint like that. if ur a pug, and im the pally thats running that warmaster strat, I GARANTEE u wont make it into dreks room be4 me, cuz guess what? ive done the pull what… 300 times? do u know how many times the pull was bad? 2 times, my very first cuz i was a noob and didnt get my order right ( i bubbled, then consecrated then found out i didnt hotkey skull so i had to hotkey it MIDPULL lol) and somewhere in my 270th? quite recent acctually, literally lagged right at the turn into the keep, boom warmasters on me and i died be4 i even got bubble off.

frankly i think if “everyone” got into a premade, alliance and horde, the games would be epic and super fun. so ur point is 1/2 wrong.

and again, u gaslighting, who said we use the silence system? ur accusing me of something that i didnt do. u know what that is? ur last word right there, DISGUSTING.

Cause they’re not necessary. I don’t deny it makes things “easier”, but why stick to the same 'ol routine? Why not change things up, a little bit and give yourself a challenge? Actually challenge yourself instead of being so dependent on other things, to get yourself, through the Game.

u dont have to play the game with a mouse, its not necessary. end of conversation. go ahead and /tar ragnaros. /gg

I’ll concede to this, and only this. But it’s still not a reason to be Silencing people’s Accounts because things aren’t going your way.

lol again, accusing me of something i didnt do. U NEED ME ON THAT WALL.

[quote=“Tayta-zuljin, post:53, topic:427633”]
I already conceded, to that point which still doesn’t excuse bullying behavior.

LOL. wow just wow, what? u already conceded in the future? i typed that in the past, and just to prove a point, what? u going to concede this twice too? how ur accusing me for the bullying behavior of though i have not, nor have i given u any idication that i did?

Not everyone wants to be in a Pre-Made, though. Some people just want to play one round of AV, and that’s it. You got people that want to do nothing but Fish, in AV. You got people just working on Quests, and you got people that want to win the AV. It’s a mixed bag of people with different goals, in AV.

wow… heres a thought… if u really are that stuck on not playing with a premade, u cant sit through an almost garantee win wait 6 mins to start ur 40 minute turtlefest? really? again, dont get me wrong, i already said i like playing them, so long as its a group of people that want to play. frankly im starting to think ur not here to play AV, ur here to fish, just a thought, no actual proof, yet. except u said it lol. but, the best part of jumping into a group of premade is, u get the best of both worlds now dont u? u want to fish? we dont care, go for it, u want to quest? go for it. wanna sstand there and watch tv? guess what? go for it. u know all we ask for in return? a checkmark. #toomuchtoask

WRONG! AV is not owned by any Player, Pre-Made or no Pre-Made. It is open to anyone willing to play it. That’s your problem, you think you own the Game, but you do not. Like you said, I’m right about the PuGs not being in your Group Make-Up, but you come in demanding people conform to your style. Tell me how exactly is that working as a Team?

again. go tell the eu server thats 99% horde that. whose server is it again? u take the meaning of AV as ownership, no, when ur in the raid, its the raid, ur part of a group, dont be THE ONE. but thats clearly what u want. again. ur argument is weak, all we ask for is a checkmark, GO DO WHAT U WANT, if u seriously are arguing against this, ur argument is absolutely weak dude, no way around it.

Being a Bully doesn’t grant you ownership over AV, just because you’re in a Pre-Made and think you own it.

uhhh idk what ur even talkinng about. frankly i cant even tell if ur a troll or not now. thats when u know ur a master at it i guess.

You think you’re not a bully, but you have yet to say you don’t threaten PuG Members to pass over the Leader Role/Assist Role, so you can have your precious Markers. And are, in fact, defending this behavior by pointing the fingers at the PuG Members, because they didn’t pass the Leader Role/Assign Assist. That’s your problem, that you’re not understanding, thank you.

so just to be absolutely CLEAR. this is the FIRST instance where u say i specifically dont threaten pug members. i said from the beginning i have a macro that tells them exactly how to do it. i dont need to say this, but i guess i have to cuz, well frankly i dont think ull get it if i dont. IF WE DONT GET ASSIST WE JUST TYPE IT OUT IN CHAT WHO IS WHAT, but BY GOLLY THAT PERSON IS CRAP for forcing the group to do it. i want another apology for gaslighting me please cuz u just consstantly accuse me over and over and over lol what a broken record.

Did you? You just said that you “accept” Pre-Mades made it hard (or hurt) on PuGs

WOW HOLY CRAP WOW. remember earlier u said what? “i already conceded?” did u not understand what was said? here let me beef it up a little. yes, premades did that, HOWEVER, that other guy made a very valid point that, SINCE U BROUGHT IT UP, u cant dismiss. BLIZZARD ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY ON IT ALREADY. THE GATE WASNT SUPPOSED TO OPEN UNTIL BOTH RAIDS ARE FULL. /gg

While still blindly thinking that “none of this woulda happened” had they conformed to your idea, of what AV should be like, in the first place. Still you thinking that you own AV, NEWSFLASH, you still don’t. No matter how hard you try.

not even worth answering anymore, cuz, in THIS post, already did

It really isn’t that serious

OMG IT WAS A JOKE. i cant even answer the rest of ur post cuz its so funny lol

I did address, with the many other points, I made. And defended it, quite well. Haven’t really lost, only you did. It’s amazing, isn’t it?

if u call that defending, i want a different lawyer.

That’s if they passed the Leader Role/Assist. They seem to not have a choice, in what happens to their Account, when the Pre-Made doesn’t get their way and gets actioned for it. You’re still not addressing the Bullying nature Pre-Mades caused to their own Community Members.

next apoligy? lol, did i do it to them again? the 20th time accused? lol.

i really enjoy this with u, its very very funny.

[Romonaga-old-blanchy]

Agree, do not understand why this is so hard to understand. Or, they simply refuse to accept the damage they have done. What the did was far worse then what the horde did during phase 2.