So twinks get clustered with reg players?

Yes that is how PvP works, if you put no effort and have terrible gear you should be dominated. If you want to level at a extreme rate, which is why there is so much XP boosting methods, then you are not going to be good at pvp, you are speeding through levels never taking time to focus on gear. Sorry bro but in mmorpgs better gear, effort, time is the formula for winning.

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the enjoyment of a few should not be at the expense of the many. Not saying I dont have twinks but I do wish they would at least go back to the legion templates. All you have to worry about then are over tuned classes/specs. Players of varying experience should have equal levels of enjoyment. Not everyone wants to go through the process of twinking but greatly enjoy the casual battleground.

Make everyone happy, bring legion templates back and allow twinking to continue on with xp off players. you can always have world PvP.

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Thing is, this doesnā€™t make everyone happy. Not being able to play around with your stats was lame, imo.

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only thing that would change is you could only stay a twink if you turn your xp off and queue xp off battlegrounds. there is nothing wrong with separating twinks from the levelers. The only ones i see complaining about that are the twink. Its been done before and ā€œTwinkingā€ died until twinks were allowed back into the casual gamers world.

I believe the enjoyment of the few should not be at the expense of the majority. Sadly in this case I am opting to have the dedicated be punished for the casual. You can see that the majority of bodies in Battle grounds are casual players. Unless you see something else :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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Twinking did not die when brackets were separated. In fact, people were still complaining about twinks when queues were separate. You could argue it died in brackets like 50-59 and 60-69, but for others, you couldnā€™t be further from the truth and Iā€™d appreciate it if you didnā€™t perpetuate the lie.

There is no need to separate the playerbase now that Blizzard can easily make adjustments to gear. They have done this several times already. The xp-off feature was intended to allow alternate characters to stay in lower-level PvP brackets or relive lower-level content. We are using this feature as intended.

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ā€¦good point and I agreeā€¦but the pvp legends on here say ā€œgear doesnā€™t matterā€ā€¦gear>skillā€¦

ā€¦wait wutā€¦

ā€¦this is my hunter twink (isebelle) and I love running through bgs and wtfpwning rogues and warriorsā€¦just love itā€¦so you have a healer with you?..then I kill the healer first while you sit there and watchā€¦if you were smart, you turn tail and run while I kill the healerā€¦pvp is so fun!!!..

ā€¦Iā€™ll be honest, once you level one of every class it should be easier for everything afterā€¦I have 10 120ā€™s and about 10 110ā€™s and I just donā€™t want to pay server transfers, I just create something on a server and level itā€¦I like how fast it is to level nowā€¦

Iā€™ve been in the shadows of the pvp community for over a decade. When xp off got lumped together the activity of that community died down A LOT. Some players even stooped so low as to deleting characters that would level out of their preferred Bracket just to roll another (ex: go through the 19-69 brackets then delete).
The NEED to have some sense of power over another in a video game is not grounds for an argument that would justify the means. Simply put its bullying (Using power to intentionally cause grief to others).

I have no need to lie. I donā€™t benefit either way as I have twinks and I have casual characters. My regret is most players wont get to enjoy battlegrounds as they should due to the ability to twink (over tuned classes aside) and the level of trolling that comes with it.

What ever Activision/Blizzard chooses to do is what we have to deal with. Venting on the forums is all people have left since the DEVS or Financial Dep (whom ever is running the show now) could care less about the gamer, so long as your sub fees are coming in and you partake in some micro transactions from time to time.

Battlegrounds are busted all to hell in BfA. The worst iā€™ve seen since Cata. Blizzard should just force xp on if you queue for normal bgs. Twinks would be left alone if they stay to xp off bgs. its simple. Players can twink to their hearts content and casual players can play with minimal trolling if they choose to level through Battlegrounds.

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Itā€™s common knowledge most people who twink just canā€™t handle max level pvp and can only deal with everyone having 5 abilities.

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Died down is not the same as died. Having less activity is not the same as no activity. Do you see the difference? With your logic, WoW is dead, as the playerbase has been in a decline for a while now.

No, itā€™s not bullying. For one, it was your choice to sign up for pvp combat and come in unprepared. You signed up for PvP and PvP is what you got. Not sorry.

and yet you did

This is your opinion. Lots of folks, including myself, have enjoyed it thus far. If you donā€™t like it, when you quit, when filling out that exit survey be sure you write in there the big bad bully twinks forced you to take your $15 elsewhere.

Blizzard should just remove XP from battlegrounds all together. Since neither of our suggestions will happen, how about we work on improving the current situation? Seems like Blizzard is continuing to eye up gear to reevaluate (as Kang pointed out, Wraith Sythe is now on the chopping block) so thatā€™s what weā€™ll go with.

Such hyperbole. Your statements have been disproven before. Thereā€™s nothing I could add here and youā€™re probably dead set in your erroneous mindset anyway.

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Just a slight correction, they donā€™t do exit surveys anymore. Blizzard donā€™t give af about why people leave.

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Shows how long itā€™s been since Iā€™ve let the ol subscription lapse :dizzy_face:

I quit annually for some reason or another. I canā€™t even remember the last time they had an exit survey. Mightā€™ve been cata.

ā€¦premades are the biggest threat to a casual, not a twinkā€¦

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This is correct. Some games iā€™m owning in healing with twinks on my side but other games iā€™m getting focused on by twinks. Youā€™re going to win and lose some.

Activity was at a level of irrelevance so yes dead is the appropriate analogy.

Iā€™ll put it again.

By the way, didnā€™t say you should be sorry. If you want to be a WoW BG bully thatā€™s your prerogative. Not sure why you have to call it something else and guise it as intended game play.

Still not lying. The grammar @ syntax breakdown you have done to make my statements less valid does not change the point it intended to get across. Twinks are a minuscule portion of the community. Allowing them to be with like minded snowflakes needs to be fought for; not sure why you are against it.

My opinion, along with thousands of others which can be read on the forums. Be it WoW, Reddit or social media. The abuse of the games mechanics by the few will surely lose Activision/Blizzard more money before they implement a system that bridges the gaps or is more appealing to the majority player base.

Couldnā€™t agree with you more here. Pruning items is like using a bandaid for a bullet wound. The scaling system needs to be overhauled. But doesnā€™t look like any meaningful changes will be implemented before more harm is done to the sub base.

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Good lord another player claiming PvP is bullying.

https://media.giphy.com/media/27EhcDHnlkw1O/giphy.gif

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PvP isnā€™t bullying in its self but players abusing mechanics to literally grief/troll players is Bullying. It would be helpful not to get the two mixed up.

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