I’ll just chime in to say - the end for the Night Elves was established at Teldrassil. This isn’t so much the end as it is the judge handing down a completely ridiculous ruling at the conclusion of the wrongful death suit.
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Ok, coming back to this after having thought about it a bit, though — let’s assume Elune couldn’t have stopped Teldrassil, and that the fate of wisps in Ardenweald is basically good for the wisp.
Then in what way did Elune have any agency or make any sacrifice in sending the “cascade of souls?” It seems like with the exception of Azeroth-bound wisps, they were headed Ardenweald-wise regardless. And if Ardenweald is a good end, then no real sacrifice was being made even if she did nudge them from being forest wisps to being Ardenweald wisps.
It seems like on that read Elune was just a bystander with no agency or responsibility. The whole conceit that she made an empty sacrifice seems wrong because there was no sacrifice, and she had little choice anyway.
Am I missing something?
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What are you are saying reminds me of a “qualified immunity” story I read about in the news recently.
Where a Federal Parks Police officer killed someone, and the body cam is missing 30 seconds, but… “Qualified immunity.”
Now, I don’t agree that this is the end of the Night Elves. But I can see why it had a similar emotional impact to some.
It can feel like there is no justice in this world.
I appreciate this much at least - so much of the difficulty here is that others do not share our perspective - that is, they regard the situation as passive observers rather than direct participants on the receiving end.
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What exactly is that supposed to mean?
What part of it is confusing to you?
Nah, Elune just goofed because she isn’t all-knowing (otherwise she wouldn’t have tried to send those souls to Ardenweald or gotten sad that they ended up in the Maw).
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Bwonsamdi was trying to save as many trolls as he could. I don’t think it says anywhere that he outright discards everyone except Zandalari. Vol’jin was his favourite guy and a Darkspear.
Muehazala demanding Zandalari souls in particular doesn’t mean that Bwonsamdi discarded everyone else.
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Completely valid point.
My only thought there is that, by soothing the NEs as they were dying, she was perhaps expediting the process and ensuring they go peacefully to Ardenweald.
After all, the Shadowlands just doesn’t send you wear you believe you go, it sends you where you DESERVE to go. If her people all died burning in agony screaming vengeance against the Horde, they could very easily have ended up some place like Revendreth or Maldraxxis.
For example, The Stonewright is a former Night Warrior, making her presumably a worshipper of Elune, but she still ended up in Revendreth.
And again, with Zul’s coup, the civil war in Zandalar, the Battle of Dazar’alor, and the Widow’s Bite and Banshee loyalists uniting against Talanji and Bwonsamdi’s followers… it’s very possible that the majority of the dead souls Bwonsamdi was keeping from the Maw were in fact Zandalari.
So Mueh’zala could have easily seen more value in cluster of Zandalari over the few non-Zandalari souls within Bwonsamdi’s care. That or it’s matter of Blizzard thinking “Hand over the Zandalari” sounds better than “Give up all the souls” or “The troll souls are mine!” and what not.
And I’ve seen nothing directly stating that Bwonsamdi discarded the non-Zandalari in your “evidence.” You are making an inference based on Mueh’zala’s comment and then treating your head canon based on it as fact.
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COULD But right now…we have no evidence if your possibility is true, right?
/ whatever
They screamed for justice.
But justice never came
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Yes we have, actually.
We know from SR that he saved Zekhan ( a Darkspear ).
We know he kept Darkspear souls safe on the Otha Side before bfa, we literally see Vol’jin talk to his father in Shadows of the Horde, Sen’jin is fine.
But loa beware trolls get anything good for a change, right? The mere thought must cause you physical pain. And that’s even ignoring the fact that troll afterlife was literal hell before Bwonsamdi took over.
God, you’re awful.
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Buhuu, stop crying and read instead:
.i didn´t say that trolls don´t deserve anything good for themselv…its not about “Deserve good things happened to them”, its about Competenz, not about “Trolls don´t deserve it”
You literally said “oh poor Darkspear, how must they feel knowing their patron loa never cared for them” as if it were a fact. Spare me.
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That’s a good point. Without a direct statement, we can only make inferences.
My inference is that Mueh’zala demanded the Zandalari because the Zandalari made up the bulk of the troll souls within Bwonsamdi’s care. Which can be backed up by the fact that Zul’s coup triggered a civil war in Zandalar, blood trolls making war on the Zandalari in G’huun’s name, the Battle of Dazar’alor which saw the Alliance invade the city and kill Zandalari like Rastakhan, and the Widow’s Bite and the Banshee loyalists killing Talanji loyalists and Bwonsamdi’s worshippers during Shadows Rising.
Those conflict left plenty dead Zandalari, though game-lore separation makes it hard to pin point how many. We just know it was enough to drive Rastakhan to make his family forever pact with Bwonsamdi. Which ultimately can be seen as evidence for Bwonsamdi having a high amount of Zandalari souls in his care.
You have made the inference that Bwonsamdi had discarded the non-Zandalari in his care because Mueh’zala only demanded Rastakhan and the other Zandalari in De Other Side dungeon. Though in trying to see things from your point of view, I came up with the possibility that Mueh’zala was able to swipe the others and that’s why he was fixated on the Zandalari. Though nothing actually suggests that Bwonsamdi lost any the souls within his care following Shadows Rising and during Shadowlands.
While this conversation has been interesting and led my to new thoughts, I ultimately feel that neither of us are going to be able to convince the other. We’ve both have planted our flags and I don’t think either of us will budge on our individual inferences about the matter of Mueh’zala just demanding the Zandalari within Bwonsamdi’s care.
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Its exist a possibility to read it exact that way…and to denied that it is possible…is at best…foolish, blizzard write in a way to UPSET their playerbase on purpose…because they feel it would be a better story.
Sure, that possibilty exists. But then there are people like you who take it for a fact and gleefully rub their hands because it fits their twisted headcanon.
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And your opinion isn´t headcanon? because its exist both possibilitys…YOU started to whine here, because its upsets you that this could happen.
We saw it in the elune cinema…they don´t care, they will not care…they are at best ignorant and at worst…fully aware.