So.. this is the end for Night Elves then..?

Actually what Zahir wrote seems like a misreading to me. Mueh’zala demanding the souls of the Zandalari is congruent and coexists with another existing fact that Bwon was saving all souls.
Until we know any facts against that it simply means Mueh’zala is referring to the Zandalari specifically because they formed most of the troll deaths after the Arbiter broke.

Or Mueh’zala wants the Zandalari souls specifically.

Either way, I think he has to provide proof that other troll souls are not there, because right now there is no reason to doubt that based on Mueh’s dialogue.

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Bwonsamdi caring for his followers’ souls is not my headcanon, we have proof that he does. I’m really sorry the same can’t be said for Elune. But you won’t see me gloat about it.

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we know for an fact, 100%, that he allways sacrificed souls to fullfill his deal with mueh’zella and gifted power and anima to him, thats from the new book…until the maw was broken…and mueh’zella thought this was a betraye l of their deal.

i even posted it above.

“a regular tribute of power and influence” (you know…how to get power in the sls…through souls and anima.)

Or through just anima.

You’re making lots of assumptions here, that go against existing canon.

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have you ever seen that bwonsamdi was capable of draining anima from the souls,thats your Assumption, we know how Mueh’zella got his power through the souls and he followed his way in terms of magic.

Mueh’zala either wanting the Zandalari specifically or because they made the bulk of the dead trolls within Bwonsamdi’s care is my inference on the statement as well. Zahir’s inference was that Mueh’zala only demanded the Zandalari because Bwonsamdi only had the Zandalari left, as a result of discarding the others.

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Literally every realm in the Shadowlands uses anima from mortal souls . I don’t need to make assumptions. But im sure I can give you proof with one run from the Other Side.

You’re still making assumptions =headcanon that goes against canon when there are paths of less resistance that support canon

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yeah, run the other side, he never drained there anima from souls…but have a good run there :wink: have fun and if YOU have a proof…then come back and then you can say that its headcanon, until this second…you have only headcanon too :wink:

Nothing in the book confirms he sacrificed any souls, just that he continued to supply Mueh’zala with power which can be aquired in many ways, for example offerings from his followers. Maybe he did in fact feed him souls now and then, traitors like Zalazane, but certainly not “all trolls that weren’t Zandalari”. As the example of Sen’jin shows.

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It is said that Bwonsamdi kept troll souls safe in the other side, it’s specifically mentioned to be the troll race and not just zandalari in Shadows rising, this is also supported by the shadowlands grimore, as it says he kept his followers out of the maw, and he is the death loa of the majority of trolls, outside of the sand trolls.
We also know that he refused to give Mueh the souls he kept safe from the Maw. Which would count out him giving up the other troll souls he saved.
So Mueh being focused on only the zandalari souls in the dungeon have nothing to do with Bwonsamdi also saving the other troll souls.

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Every realm in the Shadowlands does that. Do you see anima draining in Ardenweald?
Do you need magical draining animations as proof? Or do you not believe Ardenweald uses anima from mortal souls?
And considering Bwon is technically in Ardenweald too…

Besides, he’s in the middle of a war with Mueh’zala. He doesn’t need to have anima siphoning then. Either way, as I said before, mortal souls already hold plenty of anima which can be extracted in different ways in the Shadowlands. How it’s extracted. I dunno. But neither can you assume that Bwon is just throwing souls to Mueh as currency.

It’s pretty hilarious that Zahir claims that we have headcanons when mueh wanting zandalari souls does not contradict Bwonsamdi also saving other trolls. Which is in fact stated in canon lore.
Not to mention the tribute of power mentioned is not very descriptive, so it could be that he gave souls, or just anima or in some other way.

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My assumption is that it’s just a writing oopsie because Bwonsamdi was elevated to the Zandalari’s top loa in BFA, and perhaps the writers just forgot about the Darkspear altogether. Because to me, it makes no sense why Mueh’zala would specifically demand for Zandalari souls if he knows Bwonsamdi is keeping them all. So far, there’s really nothing special about them that would make their souls a priority, given that everybody was supposed to get Maw’d.

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Exactly. Justice.

Wanting Justice gets you sent to a good afterlife. Wanting Vengeance gets you sent to one of the lesser Hells.

She was making sure they got sent to the right good afterlife, not being aware that the system had been sabotaged.

I mean, you can eyeroll all you want, but that’s literally what happened with The Stonewright. She was a follower of Elune who was so consumed by vengeance that she ended up in Revendreth.

“Justice becomes vengeance when the Horde might have to be set back in any respect.”

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The Horde has never had any respect.

Ya’ll didn’t get the memo that the theme of BfA and Shadowlands is “breaking Cycles of Hatred.” and that’s entirely on you.

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Not sure why this is a surprise. Maiev Shadowsong is a serial killer and Jaina performed actual ethnic cleansing in Dalaran but we’re all just supposed to forget about it and forgive them both.

If WoW can treat Jaina like a character that I’m not supposed to kill on sight then it can damn well do the same for Sylvanas.

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Or more likely , like George Lucas, sometimes completely incompetent when it comes to continuing a story, yet convinced that they’re doing a mastercraft job.

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Sure. But vengeance vs. justice is a pretty common trope.
It’s hardly a concept unique to Warcraft.

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I was watching Pacific Rim today and they had this line “Vengeance is like an open wound.” and honestly, this theme is present every time vengeance is a motive of a protagonist.

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