So.. this is the end for Night Elves then..?

I’ll try to make this as short as I can. The Night Elves got a lot of screentime in Shadowlands, unfortunately it was everything but the screentime they actually needed.
I don’t want to speak for every Night Elf Player, but I personally just wanted Shadowlands to atleast somewhat make up for the damage caused to the race in BfA. For Shadowlands to give us some sort of resolution, positive moments, justice or similar things.
There were many possibilities that Blizzard could’ve made use of in Shadowlands;

  • We could’ve gotten to free the innocent men, women and children that were brutally slaughtered by the Horde from the maw. That was such an easy opportunity, yet Blizzard somehow decided that it’s better when we only get to free a small fraction (<10%) of them from the maw so that the rest can be obliterated, because being slaughtered and tortured for a really long time apparently isn’t enough tragedy.

  • We could’ve gotten a Night Warrior narrative that was actually meaningful. Tyrande really didn’t achieve anything with the Night Warrior at all. If Blizzard was going to whitewash Sylvanas anyway, why not let us bring her bad side to justice and then her good side appears or something. Now with Sylvanas being good, Nathanos’ death most likely won’t matter either since he can just come back whenever.
    Tyrande could’ve also played a role in stopping the Jailer, but the entire Night Warrior narrative feels extremely disconnected from the rest of the story that’s about stopping the jailer. Or she could’ve atleast ensured that the souls of her people were saved. Now we have the bitter taste of the Night Elf souls that include children were obliterated in the maw.
    In the end, the only thing she actually did was killing nameless disposable NPC’s in the maw

  • Our justice arc shouldn’t have been treated as “vengeance”. It simply doesn’t apply here. Tyrande did not want to burn down a populated Horde city, she didn’t even want to be at war with the Horde. She only wanted to bring the one individual to justice that directly commited genocide against her people, burned their home, sent their souls to the maw and thus is also responsible for their permanent obliteration. Again, those included innocents and even children.
    This was not about vengeance, this was about bringing a mass murderer to justice and the story (intentionally) framed it as vengeance. We defeat villains all the time, that doesn’t mean we’re taking revenge against them. It’s just like in the real world when murderers are imprisoned, it’s called justice.

  • Elune should have not been revealed to be so apathetic towards the lives of her children. The story itself is very infuriating and insulting as a Night Elf Player generally. They could’ve made it so that Elune said that our souls are safe now and that she will ensure us a future, but instead we only got that she messed up and sent the Night Elf souls to the maw where they were obliterated instead of letting us save them. Her reaction to finding this out was also not appropriate. She found out that she condemned almost the entire race of her children to the maw and instead of being rightfully panicky and eager to fix this issue, she just kind of accepts the fact.
    It has taken so long for us to get such a revelation of Elune, and this is just such a massive let down that I can’t describe it in words. It’s just a terrible feeling that our Elune turned out to be this… and the communities rightful reaction to this just sums up how well this was received not only by the Night Elf fanbase:

I just wanted to talk about Shadowlands, obviously the Night Elves could’ve also gotten a new home, their lands back, some rebuilding efforts or some victories against the Horde within their zones, but that ship has long sailed and is probably nothing that could’ve been addressed in Shadowlands anyway. I’m also willing to bet that the Night Elves will never receive their heritage armor, but that’s a whole different topic.

There’s no hope for the Night Elves left in any aspect now. Yes we got a decent amount of screentime in Shadowlands, but it’s not the screentime that we wanted or needed at all. We just wanted positive moments, some things to make up for all the tragedies and suffering that we went through in BfA, something to show us that maybe there could be a future for the race, yet our outcries went unheard, and the Night Elves are in an even worse state than before Shadowlands.
My personal once greatest hope was that we could save the souls from the maw and Elune could revive them so that, atleast population wise, the Night Elves could have a future if they somehow managed to get some of their zones back. But at this point, what is there even to hope for anymore? Nothing. At this point, it’s safe to say that this was our promised “resolution”, and that there will be nothing to make things better in any shape or form. We didn’t ask for any of this…

I know that making this post won’t change anything, but I just wanted to share a few thoughts about how Shadowlands wronged the Night Elves despite giving us a few cinematics and cutscenes, somehow making our situation way way worse than before even though there were so many possibilities to make things better. It feels like the whole point of our Shadowlands story was to make Sylvanas seem less evil by shifting the blame onto the Jailer and Elune, and framing our quest for justice as something negative called “vengeance”. Furthermore, I’m willing to bet that Sylvanas will also be absolved of the Burning with something along the lines of “She thought that Elune would protect their souls, or they’d stay on Azeroth as whisps”, anything that would make Elune the one to blame really. So we are supposed to hate our goddess now, and this is then supposed to prove Delaryn and Sira right?..

Well, this is the end for Night Elves, once and for all I guess… and for me personally there’s no reason to believe that the writers are trying to tell us anything different. It’s truly a shame, I love Night Elves and it makes me so sad to see that this is the end now.

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There is resolution your Night Elf god let your people die to serve a greater cosmic goal, but saved Malfurion because she plays favorites with Tyrande. All the while Elune never bothered to find out why the Winter Queen was so desperate for souls, before acting, so your Night Elf god accidentally damned them to the Maw instead.

Mind you why Elune didn’t yoink the children who have bugger all anima out of Teldrassil is still a mystery.


Really makes you realize the Shal’dorei who never embraced druidism or gave up arcane, and the Quel’dorei who utterly rejected Elune for the light made the right choice.

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Ethriel.

I am going to say this to you succinctly so you can understand.
They don’t care.
They don’t care about anything at all. They literally put off the job and go play call of duty.
Your favorite game is being managed by a staff that thinks its too cool for this franchise, they hate working on it and would rather go drinking and playing COD.

Its not even they go play WoW instead of working because they love wow so much or even other MMOs or RPGs to get inspired… no they go and try to get that multi kill to call in that airstrike.

Do you know understand why this game is the mess that it is?
Well I already unsubbed will be done by August 4th. I probably won’t be back for a long while… if they don’t care why should I?

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Hey man Elune works in mysterious ways…shrugs.

Thats how Tyrande seems to feel.

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And I thought Blizzard’s recent villain batting of Light-related things and characters was bad (and it is). But yeah, the Night Elves are getting a really raw deal even worse.

My takeaway from that cinematic is that Elune took advantage of an opportunity to send souls to help Ardenweald (giving anima to help Ardenweald doesn’t make them cease to exist)… but Elune somehow not knowing about what happened to the Arbiter is ridiculous.

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Ethriel at this point just go to a private server where the burning of teldrassil never happened. There’s plenty of them. The story makes more sense too. People are doing crazy things with those servers!

WoW killed its own world. Time to either go to a place where they still care, or move on.

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No. It really isn’t.

As Smallioz said, they have half a team working on WoW, with most of the guys working on it being the less experienced devs. And if what Questifier said about her resignation is true, they have god awful communication between the teams.

I don’t know how much relevancy it has with the story team, but we’ve gone through 2 massive rewrites in 2 expansions. It’s highly likely the team just didn’t realise the obvious implications.

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I think its time to venerate the Winter Queen as your new god.

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How is Elune being “villain batted” again?

She looks incompetent but not malicious.

Edit:
Also, hey look at me I’m Thad, I wanna be a paladin and the crusades were good! Nobody EVER did anything wrong in the name of western religions! Idk where blizzard gets the idea from!!1!1

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She only looks incompetent if you see her as a capitol ‘G’ Goddess.

If she’s basically just a life equivalent of the Winter Queen, then it’s reasonable that she didn’t have the power/focus to wave a magic wand and fix everything. Especially if her domain is spread across multiple planets that vie for her aid.

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jokes aside.

Elune was not entirely destroyed, but this cinema make …not real sense. If she could stop the entire Burning? Why did she not, and when she´s not able to do so, why she was worshipped as a god (even a greek god was in their beliefe strong enough to destroy entire lands, even the old world was completly destroyed in the titanic wars of the olympians and the titans.

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Right, and nobody even seem to know that the Maw sucking people in… so at most incompetent.

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I didn’t say Elune was being villain-batted again, I said that Light-related things (as in groups and beings) were being villain-batted or set up for it.

I have a paladin alt. The Crusades were a delayed defensive response to the Byzantine/Seljuk Wars though there was harm done by both sides during them. Yeah Christianity is totally a Western religion; it’s not as if it originated or is practiced outside Western society, like Judaism and Islam lol

Try actual research and careful reading instead of mockery.

everyone forget…bwonsamdi sacrificed all NON-Zandalari to save them…and he get more information as all the other ones…to think bwonsamdi is really better…uff…it must be terrible to be a darkspear…your own loa know what was going on…but sacrificed you for the zandalari trolls XD

Who knew about the Maw besides those directly tied to the plane of Death?

Loads of powerful/informed beings on Azeroth were apparently unaware. Bwomsamdi was the only one aware as far as I know.

Maybe you think Elune should be more knowledgeable about the shadowlands, but even groups like the Earthen Ring apparently was unaware despite their link to ancestral spirits. Nobody was flagging us down in SL and telling us to stop the war due to the maw. Hell, did Bolvar even know about it until Sylvanas bust down his door?

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I see that and I raise you:

You’re an SJW and a special snowflake who just wants to complain

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bwonsamdi get a climps of inforamtion in sr, the exact information what was going on he also got only after the Mueh’zella-Encounter really , during the ardenwaeld Chapters of 9.0

he know, something bad was …to happen, nothing more.

Even the death pantheon don´t know what was going on…what was the reason for the drought…they lost the connection to each others…and can´t contact to the other pantheon members.

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Ironically Ad Hominem attacks instead of arguments - as you’ve just done - are straight out of the SJW playbook.

I don’t know what’s going to happen with the Night Elves’ story. My problem with this portrayal of Elune and the Night Elves is that it clashes with previous lore and doesn’t make sense even in the context of the latest retcons. The potential villain-batting is a theory based on Blizzard’s current trends.

But you seem like someone who feels oppressed by the existence of any positivity towards gods or religions, since you felt like responding to me that way when I wasn’t talking to you, so I’ll think about whether it’s worth replying to you further.

Lol the fact that you took the bait