We also have killed a lot of nightborne in the past during Legion. On top of that, we have no clue how many night elves are around since population has never mattered in WoW.
On top of this…nightborne have been long been held to say “we arent kal’dorei” since Legion questing.
Which are treated as a fringe cult.
No they arent. Stop being paranoid.
Don’t blame this mess on the Horde. Blame the ones truly responsible, the writers.
This has been Blizz’s whole shtick since Cata. Taking anything that made NE’s remotely unique and either giving it away to the Horde or having the Horde outright destroy it. There isn’t really anything left of NE lore narratively or physically represented in game anymore.
I wouldn’t call it paranoia when it has been happening consistently for 10 years now.
You could say this about most things involving faith in WoW. Lets ask the priests and paladins how they feel about the Holy Light rewriting.
You mean the whole Mu’sha and An’she thing which actually makes sense that they view the Moon just as importance as the Sun since their entire faith is earthen-based…
…you know, especially since they are the main druidic race of the Horde.
For example…
Nazjatar?
Not sure exactly to which rewrite/retcon you are talking about here, but sure lets ask them.
Not exactly apples and oranges there though to having one aspect of a class fiddled with to an entire playable race having all identity erased or given out like candy on Halloween.
That’s one of many. Yeah.
Uh gee, wonder if there are any recent examples of this? Hmmmmm… ![:thinking:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/thinking.png?v=6" ":thinking:")
You mean the city the Naga built?
So you the alliance sent troops to the gates of under city as a humanitarian effort. Im not buying your horrible logic
no we sent troops because you declared war on us and burned teldrassil to the ground, but that doesnt change the fact that sylvanas was the one who destroyed undercity with a scorched earth tactic. if she didnt then it would still be standing ready to be retaken at a later point. the alliance did not destroy undercity.
we did however send troops to orgrimmar to aid the horde as a humanitarian effort to end a tyrannic dictatorship after the horde asks for help. so again if you want to attack stormwind in the same way we “attacked” orgrimmar then you would essentially be there to play pest exterminator for us and then leave without taking advantage of the situation
What would have happen to Undercity if Sylvanas wouldn’t have destroy it??? Oh yeah the alliance would have it and the horde would still have lost it.
Fact:
The alliance attacked Undercity.
The alliance won the battle.
The horde was force to leave Undercity.
The horde destroyed it so the alliance was winning.
No matter who pulled the trigger, Undercity is lost for the horde because of a attack by the alliance who won the fight.
Sure as long as we get to murder tyrande and malfurion. Alliance loses towns, Horde loses leaders.
Of course it was a win! A Phirric victory!
The horde destroy Teldrassil and plunder Darkshore!
Ally has a vain victory, and can not even occupy the place, because Sylvanas spread Blight for the next area!
The Alliance did not win anything!
but it would still be there waiting for the horde to retake it, now that sylvanas blew it up with blight the horde cant retake it even if they wanted to
Can the horde occupy Thedrassil??? Not much.
Oh yeah cause the alliance player would be so happy to conquer Undercity only to loose it again while the night elf would still not be able to go to their city…
Both side attack a city and this result with the destruction of both city. Simple as that.
i dont think sylvanas was thinking in that moment “i better destroy my city so that alliance players wont get mad” she cant break the fourth wall dude. she isnt deadpool
No but the real life writer that decide that Sylvanas was going to destroy it was.
Sylvanas isn’t really alive with her own mind you now that ‘‘dude’’.
but we aren’t talking about the writers we are talking about the lore. and in the lore sylvanas was the one who destroyed undercity and now the forsaken can’t reclaim their home because of her.
You mean the lore that is decide by the writer?? I mean this is all what this thread is about… About how the alliance dont like how the writer are making the story…
When people talk about what they dont like about the lore, its without saying that they are in fact talking about what they dont like about the story that the writer are making…
The lore of WoW insn’t real. You know that ‘‘dude’’.
sure but the writers are not part of that lore, writers are not canon characters. so again in the lore sylvanas was the one who destroyed undercity and by doing so the forsaken can’t reclaim their home because of her. therefore the alliance did not destroy the city
Like what?
Here’s the thing Alliance always forgets- Horde doesn’t have anything to take.
Even if Orgimmar were destroyed, it’s just huts. If TT is destroyed, it’s just tents. Silvermoon is still half destroyed.
The Horde just lost the fleet they spent the entire xpac trying to earn.
The one thing Horde sort of had was heroes- but that’s been destroyed by the constant deaths or traitors.
The reason the Alliance can lose things is because the Alliance has everything.
God like heroes? Check.
More god like heroes? Check.
A dozen godlike heroes, each of whom is capable of single handedly wiping out every single Horde hero put together? Check.
Beautiful cities that end up looking better after being destroyed? Check.
Best looking races, other than high elves- but oh, now they even have high elves like Horde? Check.
Heroes that are actually Alliance heroes? Check- apart from Staghelm, who nobody ever liked, and Onyxia, who obviously was never actually Alliance- who has gone traitor?
Thrall left the horde, Baine’s more interested in killing Horde, and Saurfang went from gruff veteran hero to whining pet for Anduin.
If you look instead at everything the Alliance has- then you realize very quickly that of course Alliance can lose things- they have things to lose.
There’s just nothing valuable to take- really, name something; to Horde, it’s just adding another loss to the pile. The best thing left is Sylvanas, but they had to go and ruin her while also, clearly, prepping her to die since hey, Alliance want another dead Horde warchief, Alliance gets what they want, every time.
Why do Theramore and Teldrassil stand out? Because they’re two times in a 15 year old game where Alliance didn’t get their way.
I really wish people would learn what a Mary Sue is, instead of just using that term for every major character they dislike. At this rate, every single major NPC in WoW is going to be a Mary Sue.
Yrel had her faults and her hesitations. It took coaching and learning from both the player character and Velen and others for her to finally live up to her potential. She wasn’t perfect, she wasn’t all powerful and she needed help and guidance from others. She was not the end all, be all personification of anyone with no faults.
I try to apply the term practically, but it really does fit Yrel’s case as far as Deus Ex Machina when needed and no real drawbacks to her character except to set up a convenient hurdle for her to jump.
I’m a little rusty on the timeline but I’m pretty sure this is how it goes:
We find her beat up in a slave mine where she managed to just kill her taskmaster with a mining pick and was planning an escape. She comes along. It turns out she is an acolyte of Karabor. As Alliance, we escape with her, Muraad, and co to Shadowmoon Valley and she reintegrates into her duties and helps us out. At this point she is a low to mid level paladin tops. At the end of the SMV zone, after she loses miserably a few times she vows to get stronger after her sister is killed. Almost immediately after that, Velen passes on his “mark of the prophet” to the closest Draenei who happens to be standing around, Yrel, before sacrificing himself to purify the dark star. So she is now marked as the de-facto chosen one.
Next time we meet her she is Vindicator Yrel, a full fledged Paladin, and standing toe-to-toe with Muraad. She (and the group of other heroes) get stomped by Blackhand and he is literally choking the life out of her as she kicks around BUT WAIT! Durotan throws her a weapon that she is able to use with her Super Saiyan Pally wings to almost one-shot Blackhand. At which point Khadgar pulls everyone out.
After that, we see her in Hellfire Citadel where she is Exarch Yrel, one of only 5 exarchs on a counsil that basically lead the Draenei military. After we leave Draenor and return to recruit the Mag’har, we learn that she became High Exarch and goes sort of fanatical.
The unofficial time line for Warlords of Draenor is between years 41 and-a-half and 43, so in the course of roughly a year and-some-months, she goes from being a trainee to being one of the most elite Paladins on her planet due to very aptly timed power ups and Power of Friendship moments.
That sounds pretty Mary Sue worthy to me. People aggressively still call Thrall a Mary Sue, but he had his whole life to achieve his skill and power, he was just temporarily empowered by the Aspects so he could serve as a stand-in as the Earth Warden and use the Dragon Soul. And Thrall honestly fails a HELL of a lot more than he succeeds. Not the “learn from this to become stronger” failure either, the deep, woe-is-me-I-totally-blew-it-what-was-I-thinking failure that afflicts his character to this day.