To think that people on the Horde actually feel pride for destroying Teldrassil or sadness for Undercity is just funny.
Nobody cares. Let’s just go after N’zoth and be done with this expansion.
No they didn’t, this is covered in the mini novels. The attack was a surprised, the Horde caught the NEs and the Alliance completely off guard as they were lead to believe the Horde army was marching to Silithus to secure the AZ deposits. Once the true target was known, the Alliance had begun to muster help. But unlike how we have instant transportation to all capital cities and boats takes a couple of minutes to arrive, things are actually much slower for the rest of the world.
They fully intended to launch an attack to try and retake the NE lands but then Syvalans burned it down. At that point retaking it took a back seat to The Undercity and trying to capture Sylvaanas.
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Why is it that some people just cant see the story clearly?
Thrall (literally the guy who built the Horde and is synonymous with it) Killed Garosh. Yet many Hordies claim its an Alliance victory.
Vol’Jin asks Varian for help in taking Org back. We both take Org back and Varian walks away and gives us our capital city back. No charge. No destruction. No conquering just “glad to help out mate but dont do it again or we gonna have problems”.
Sylvanas destroys Undercity and kills many of her own people. Some call it an Alliance victory despite the Alliance taking nothing.
The victors in all 3 of these fights are:
Thrall
The world that is not Garosh (and second the Horde because they paid no price for allowing Garosh to happen)
Sylvanas.
Which of the above are Alliance characters again?
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Its been that way since WC1
I think it’s official that the game’s current story does not appeal to anyone.
Wait and see … for this? It’s a shame.
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Blizzard adds in new pets for you alliance to collect like every patch what more do you guys need
This is why I was underwhelmed when they announced BFA as a faction war expansion. No matter what, the ending will not be satisfactory for either side.
Horde gets to be made out as evil monsters again and will likely lose yet another Warchief in as many expansions, OR Sylvanas will get some contrived redemption arc that just feels terrible.
Meanwhile Alliance gets a bloodied nose and a black eye from the typical evil Horde aggression, and never get any real payback because… well, because Horde has nothing else left to lose without disrupting the status quo. If Sylvanas dies it won’t feel like a win to the Alliance because its helping Horde rebels clean up their own mess again, and if she is redeemed then Alliance comes out with nothing but said bloodied nose and black eye.
Then in the end everything is forgotten so things can return back to the status quo with Teldrassil and Undercity being the only permanent outcomes in the war.
With the way WoW factions work, faction wars will never work, because in the end, no matter how heinous the crimes of either faction is… it all has to end with no actual victor, just a return to the status quo
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Yeah but the people that make that argument are being pretty disingenuous about it. Leveling pre-Cata was nothing like it is today. Both Horde and Alliance had their starter zones and the surrounding areas but quest content thinned out pretty quickly for Alliance too.
This idea that Alliance had this “awesome” vanilla leveling experience is being manufactured by folks that, I would assume, didn’t actually play vanilla. Its all moot now anyway, the only thing that exists is the post-Cata world and all of it is the Alliance just getting kicked in the teeth over and over again.
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The thing is that when alliance player ask to destroy a horde city or a zone without losing anything, they ask for the horde to have less city or zone than the alliance. So whining about imbalance when you ask for imbalance for your side is kind of silly.
Also what bug me is all the thing about ‘‘now its equal but since you gain it by wining you a favoured even if it mean having less for 6 years!!!’’.
Let say that in the next expansion, only the horde get a new continent while the alliance have only few quest in already existing area and need to farm mob to get max level. Than 2 expansion later blizzard realise that it is not far and change the quest. The alliance now have new quest line for 110 to 120 than make than invading haft of the horde continent and on the horde side their quest is change to lose haft of their zone.
What you are saying is that the horde should feel that the alliance are favoured for finally having the same thing as the horde even if the horde have more for 6 years??? Since the alliance would feel victorious and the horde would feel like the looser it would mean alliance bias???
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If thats true, when can I expect to see the Night Elves and Druids become Horde only content?
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I fully anticipate us to do a Siege of Orgrimmar Version 2, Dethrone Sylvanas, but instead of Anduin walking away like Varian - Tyrande, Genn, or he will say “No more chances, dismantle or die.”
All the Horde has are little camps and blighted ruins though- that’s the thing, you can’t really take away from the Horde since they, unlike the Alliance, have nothing to begin with.
When people often speak of Silvermoon as the best city- considering half of it is destroyed and occupied by undead- you know you have a faction with nothing to lose.
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I was getting excited over the alliance and horde teaming up over time, there is still hope they will set aside their differences and live with one another peacefully.
I’ll be peaceful towards the Alliance when every last one of them lies in a cold grave!
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Not any time soon, at least not without Blizzard forcing peace down the throats of the NEs. Sorry but you don’t get to do what the Horde did us and expect us to be singing kumbaya around a fire by the end of the expansion.
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You keep mentioning Cordana but let me clarify something: Cordana was NOT an Alliance character in WoD. She was a neutral NPC who was part of the Draenor expedition and she worked alongside Khadgar the whole time, Horde and Alliance both got to see her complete arc to betraying Khadgar at the end, and she was never really the focus of any of it. So she went from Neutral NPC with little development or backstory to a dungeon boss.
I’ll try to keep the Horde significance short, but in a nutshell here is why the above mentioned characters are important:
Cairne: WC3 hero, founding member of the New Horde. Horribly under utilized in WoW, fleshed out just enough to be killed off-screen by Garrosh and Magatha Grimtotem. Cairne and Thrall were extremely close.
Vol’jin: Another founding member of the New Horde, heavy development during MoP, primary protag of a novel and several short stories that flesh him out. He was an exciting Warchief pick because he was such a cool character with the right intentions for the Horde, only to be killed off after all of his development and replaced with something that has splintered the Horde fans and characters.
Saurfang Jr: Introduced as one of the first major “Pure Orcs” in BC, alongside Garrosh. He was the perfect Orc to establish an arc about embracing honor and resisting the bloodlust that Varok tried to protect him from, that arc never actually got explored but a lot of players wanted to see. A LOT of people were speculating that he would be a potential big-name hero to replace his aging father, same for Garrosh, instead he was killed off.
And the really irritating thing isn’t that the Horde heroes are dying so often, but that they keep screwing with the one they name as Warchief. We keep losing our leadership for stupid plot twist reasons that end up making the Horde feel worse by jerking our story line back and forth between noble savagery and honor vs cruelty and bloodlust war machine.
Garrosh could have been a freaking AWESOME Warchief, they go as far to admit it in game. A bronze dragon says something like “Our version of Garrosh was one of the worst possible, in many other time lines he is regarded as the greatest Warchief that the Horde would ever know.” That alone was infuriating to me.
Then Vol’jin gets his shining moment in MoP. We have a founding member as Warchief again. He is honorable, he is strong, but he is also cunning and ruthless. Fans were pretty receptive and thought we had a cool story coming. He gets offed quickly after being benched for most of WoD and then we get Sylvanas, who has not been popular or good for the story, just another murdering psychopath like Garrosh who is barrelling straight to another civil war story.
So no, Cordana Felsong and Sira Moonwarden do not hold up against our characters that have mostly been around since WC3 and only developed to be betrayers or casualties. Plus, we keep losing faction leaders and they never get replaced. Right now the Orcs and Trolls have no declared leader and the Forsaken actually had the other half of their leadership killed by Sylvanas in Before the Storm.
The one Alliance death that I will grant, who everyone always fails to bring up, is Maraad. He gets great development in WoD only to be killed off as a martyr for Mary Sue Yrel. That was the Alliance instance of introduce a character, make him cool, kill him off as a plot springboard.
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One of the reasons Sylvanas set the tree on fire was to make peace impossible between the Horde and the Alliance. In the short story by Blizzard (A Good War), “She had sent a message. This was not a war that would end in a stalemate. Not now. The__Alliance and the Horde would both understand that the only choices were victory or death.”
If indeed with the return of green Jesus, Horde and Alliance end up around a campfire roasting marshmallows singing kumbaya together…
It would be the worst possible outcome and Blizzard should never again hire a writer to even attempt writing a story or explain wows lore… because there will be none after this.
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Yea… it was piss poor writing for both factions, hell i dont even think it was hubris, thinking that they could do a satisfactory ending for us both, they just went and did it for the shock value then started winging it thinking everything was fine.
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Isn’t that pretty much happening in Legion? The largest population of surviving NE’s, at least in the narrative, is the Nightborne since the NE’s just had most of their population wiped away and the rest of it dying in the fighting. You also have that group of trolls that are being favored by Elune and taught Druidism, so they are planting the seeds for taking that away from the NE’s/Alliance as well.
I’m sorry, but alliance is just… easy to kill ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")