Well again, Cordana and Sira were only vague characters before becoming bad guys / dying. Comparing them as equals to Garrosh or Cairne just isn’t fair.
Delaryn was only around for a week before dying, and again, Tirion was not a member of the Alliance.
But I don’t want to even the tally. I want to see Horde heroes get developed, in a good way, and STAY developed, instead of making us like them so they can kill them later.
The Night Elves should never forget the Alliance turned their back on you in your time of need. All the Alliance care about are humans. Everyone else is just cannon fodder to protect the human masters.
Eh thats the horde, not the alliance, we dont break our bonds so easily, read elegy so you know what im talking about, also genn went there to help tyrande and anduin opened the royal coffins to help with the refugee crisis your faction caused, are you rping?
Humans have always betrayed the other races of the Alliance.
Ok so if the NPC has a title and dies they are then important. Because a lot of horde were frustrated that voljin did nothing as warchief. I never heard about any development before that outside of his little stint as opposition to garrosh when he and baine were plotting against him.
So if they are a major character they must be leader of something, even though if we go back to that original list characters from that werent all leaders of something.
Second chriteria: they have to have had time spent developing them. Now Ive quested on horde side and leveled, done dungeons and old raids, yet none of those characters were even a blip on the radar. Cairne gets a thing during childrens week. Saurfangs son is in ICC. I guess Im missing some grand content for these characters somewhere. We saw cordana through WoD and then legion with this really long story, but she wasnt developed. Got it.
Wrong! Sylvanas had already decided to sacrifice Undiecity, to eliminate alliance leaderships and as many troops as possible.
let’s remember that one of his ideas was to ensure that Kalimdor was only from Horde!
She knew Lordaeron was not so defensible!
Alliance and Horde had already invaded the place before!
The place was just a big trap!
Sylvanas used the tactics of scorched earth!
the Russians denied the victory of the Napoleonic forces with this maneuver!
There were no people to conquer, for all fled, from the cities, to the interior of the country!
There were no spoils for the troops, because what was not taken by the Russians, was destroyed!
Napoleon, returned to France empty-handed and being pursued by General Winter and the Russian army!
Pump fist moment, for “The Lion”!
So the Alliance did not win anything at Lordaeron, because the city was destroyed by Syl’s actions, not something done by Ally!
There was no conquered territory or defeated forsakens, if all they left behind was something the enemy can not use!
Darkshore is being depredated by the orcs and goblins, and poisoned by the forsaken!
Yeah! Pump fist moment! Alliance Pride faction, babe!
Scorched Earth. That’s when the loser destroys the prize rather than let the winner claim it. Like hell Sylvanas was going to give up her city HER city for nothing. You know what it being close to Alliance territory meant? Nice close staging area. She’d already taken Hilsbrad and Silverpine, can you set your hearth to Southshore again? No?
Sylvanas was forced to blight Undercity to prevent total disaster, after losing the battle and the city.
I thought it belonged to the forsaken who lived there before they died? She was an elf off in elfland I thought. What’s her claim to it if the forsaken decide they don’t want her?
… are you telegramming your posts in?
Well they didn’t before it went down so that’s kinda a moot point.
They didnt do what? Who is they?
This has been happening since WC3.
Except the Alliance didn’t just sit back after Theramore. Jaina purged Dalaran of non-Alliance citizens, brought it back to the Alliance, and launched an offensive against Horde forces on the Isle of Thunder. Theramore’s bombing was responded to with war in the Krasarang Jungle. This expansion also ended with an invasion and sacking of Orgrimmar, the Horde’s capital.
Teldrassil was met with war, another raid in a Horde capital, and a Horde city gone, too. No, Anduin didn’t nuke Undercity, but Jaina did show up and magic the blight away temporarily and rescue all the leaders. It’s more telling on Sylvanas than the other characters that all her victories since Wrath have been won with blight.
Before Theramore, too, Theramore forces invaded and took more of the Barrens.
This sort of thing is why I dislike ‘tit for tat’ storytelling because of ‘faction pride’. There’s always someone complaining from both factions that what they got wasn’t good enough and the other side needs to get floored harder.
Thats hypocrisy. Its revenge. You are completely wrong
Well you killed King Rastakhan and forced the Lich Queen to destroy Undercity so I’d say we’re even.
The writers didn’t understand. They didn’t have a good vision of what they were doing.
The Alliance’s milieu is that they are established, they have places of importance that carry cultural meaning and significance. They serve as touchstones for the character of the cultures and their identities. Stormwind for Humans, stony but reaching upward, sprawling but diverse. Ironforge being solid, squat, powerful and fiery. And remember Teldrassil? Calm, cool colors, deep forests with great old trees, home to hidden things and ancient knowledges?
The Horde’s milieu is that they have lost everything. They are wanderers, misfits, flung into savagery and forced to fend for themselves in a place that is not their home. Even their allies are marginalized, hunted or pressed beyond resource such that their defining trait is loss.
The writers didn’t seem to understand that in destroying Teldrassil they were taking more than they could ever give back. They were wiping away some of the essential character of the Kaldorei in a way that could not be answered.
The horde has nothing of equivalent value that they can lose. They have already lost it. There is nothing the writers can now do to provide even the illusion of parity. It was an uninformed and poorly considered decision that has become cannon and swept the writers into a corner they cannot exit.
Well… I say that… if I were to workshop it without bias I might say that the thing that the Horde has that is on par with a cultural identity is freedom. What if one of the horde races were to quit them and go alliance? Or get captured in some way and forced to serve the alliance? Maybe the Blood Elves rejoin all those other high elves that seem to be everywhere doing alliance related things.
What a blow to the Horde. What a crushing sensation to simply lose a chunk of the union they had fought so hard to build.
But that too would be a terrible idea, an awful writing direction and ugly thing to do to players.
And one thing that I understand (but the devs don’t seem to) is that putting one bad idea on top of another bad idea doesn’t make either one any better.
… the Forsaken you were talking about.
Yes, but what didnt they do?
Well said. For the blood elf example, though, they can’t ever actually go forward with that idea despite how many threads tantalize it as a possibility (the other Windrunner sisters, Void Elves, Lor’themar negotiating with Varian in MoP) for gameplay reasons. Blood Elves are a Horde race and there’s no way to backtrack it.
Now, if they somehow for some reason decided to break up the Horde/Alliance mega factions and have each city state/race follow their own story with the player character choosing their allegiance, I’d be all over that, but for gameplay reasons, and the core identity of the original WC being Horde vs Alliance, we won’t ever see that in WoW.
Claim they didn’t want her.
The alliance got their moment when they launched a siege on Undercity and decimated the horde with a sick boat by Jaina. The alliance also got to raid the Zandalari Troll capital, just like the Siege of Orgrimmar in MOP. Oh, AND they killed the Zandalari king. That’s not enough??? At least Tyrande and Malfurion survived.