So the Alliance are just supposed to forget

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Stop pretending that dazaralor is a capital of Horde because it never was!
It is a capital of Zandalar! Period!
we should have made an attack on a city of the Horde, and not one that was not even really attached to horde! It became after Talanji was accepted, for Rasthapasta had no desire to really accept Horde’s help in cleaning up his mess!

Was? tell me the name of some leader or troop of Zandalar, who participated in the attack on Teldrassil!

… none, right? I knew it! So attacking the troll empire of zandalar, was a very ridiculous thing, if this was done to avenge the actions of the horde, for an action that even zandalar had participation!
P.S.
And what is more pathetic! The city (Dazaralor) has ended without major damage and remains usable for Horde!
Teldrassil remains in ruins, as theramore, as Gilneas and as any Alliance city will end, from what I see!

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Can we please wait until i get exalted with Silvermoon? then you can bomb them out of existence if you like.

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Still usable and inhabited!

It was Sylvanas! The city did not fall for something done by the Alliance!

Still usable, too! That surprise!
And the attack went together with Horde and did not even intend to destroy the capital of Horde, but to remove Garry from power!
it was not that day that Theramore had her revenge!

It remains uninhabitable!
No use like Lordaeron! As planned by Syl!

The capital of the night elves continues to be destroyed, canonically!

Gilenas? No! Blight!
Theramore? Nope! Mana bomb in da face!
Teldrassil? Its dead Jim!!

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Crippling the trolls army ahead of time was the best move alliance could do. Because the horde where banking on having the trolls fleet.

Now that the alliance have navel superiority. The horde are loosing. Sylvie already destroyed lorderon so outside of sylvie herself ally dont have a city to target. At least until 8.3 when sylvie is probably gonna go full gary. But that’ll be after we have to unite against azshara and nzgoth.

After all that whose left? Sylvie and her loyalist will likely be dead. The horde remaining will be the rebel group. So mop rehashed.

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I am just going to say this.
At one time I mained alliance, and I was happy playing alliance. I switched servers, and switched faction, but still considered myself alliance in my heart.
Over this past year it has changed, not because of the faction story, but because of players like you OP.
You come on the forums complaining of horde favoritism, and you act like it’s our fault, it’s not, we don’t write the story.
The developers, and story writers tell the story, but all you can do is point fingers horde bias blah, blah, blah, whine, whine, whine. It gives me a toothache in my brain, If I still mained alliance I would go horde.
Any sympathy I might have had dies off quickly whenever I see one of these threads.
If you don’t like the story or how things go for the alliance why don’t you submit some ideas on how it can be improved?
As it is, it feels like you’re blaming the players, when all we do is play the game, just like you. Instead of playing the victim, try the story line from both sides.
As someone else said in a thread I read yesterday, let’s not argue over who has the worst crap sandwich, BFA story is bad all around.

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No Teldrassil. No Undercity. Zandalari king and a golem made out of money gets murdered, Jaina casually gets away and a gnome puts himself on ice. Saurfang and Baine both go soft. I mean, so far, that’s a landslide in the Alliance’s favor.

But if the burnt up twigs annoy you that much, you can just talk to an NPC and act like it never happened as it still functions as a functioning city as it did before if you just click that one button.

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How can anyone say that seriously.

Are you implying that if the Alliance did not attack Undercity, that Sylvanas still would have blown it up?

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He is actually just about the perfect comparison for Delaryn. Popular, but not established. If he died for whatever reason then I am SURE the forums would have a zappyboi memorial, but all he has really done is be a foil for Saurfang. Young, hopeful, proud member of the Horde with no idea for the horrors of war or sacrificing honor for victory and all that.

That being said, I would really like to see him get development into a more important character because the trolls have just about no representation outside of Rokhan.

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Ya know with all due respect, I dont believe you. Ive played both sides as well. I think players get sucked into whatever side theyre on.

You are mistaking blame for irritation. Any time either side asks for something, the other side gets an attitude. Its very rare to see “ya know what horde, youre right. You do deserve this” or “yeah alliance you are right that sucks and blizz should fix it”. Dont try to sit there and pin it just on alliance players. Did you miss the thread called “BfA=Battle for Alliance” today?

We have. Even the original post, as short as it was, pointed out the issue and made a suggestion.

Now we have some common ground which is good. My personal take is that they never should have pitted players against players as the forefront of the expansion in the first place. Leave that bologna in PvP.

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So let me ask you this. Is it that only Horde major characters get killed off or does it maybe have to do with Alliance major characters not getting developed? How many major characters (compared to the orginal list that I replied to) does the alliance even have honestly?

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Lately, the Alliance has received WAAAY more character focus than the Horde.

In Legion, the Horde had nothing after the Broken Shore. Absolutely nil, you could see all of the Horde plot points on an Alliance toon with the exception of Vol’jin’s funeral.

Meanwhile Anduin took over as High King and had his few moments. Velen, we followed all expansion as the Draenei story was entirely explained and fulfilled. Turalyon and Alleria stepped back in and had a patch to get introduced to players. Khadgar (while technically neutral still has strong ties to the Alliance) was the cohesion between all of the different orders and factions working against the Legion. Illidan almost exclusively hung out with Velen and Khadgar. Malfurion and Tyrande had a zone / dungeon / raid dedicated to their romance and backstory. And Genn has been featured in every expansion since he came into the game as an advisor / uncle figure to Anduin. He has had huge character development on and off screen. Not to mention Varian having the most epic and heroic death possible at the beginning of the expac.

Our new warchief showed up for a single cut scene in Legion and then disappeared for the rest of the expansion. It has been an expansion and a half and we still have no info on her infamous deal with Helya. Vol’jin was killed off to set up this god-awful BfA story line. Thrall’s character was butchered several expansions ago and hasn’t had any character redemption since, which was really damaging because his story during WC3 was THE defining factor for the Horde in Original WoW. Noble savagry, not giving in to evil and bloodlust, everything Sylvanas isn’t. He did temporarily pull it together to kill Garrosh (which threw him right back into a guilt spiral.)

Forward to BfA and Jaina is stepping up as the focal character. She is a leveling story NPC, war campaign NPC, raid boss, faction leader, and she will be working with Horde players come 8.2 to rescue Sir Bloodhoof the Useless. (Not the first time we have had to save him, either.)

Sylvanas has done almost nothing since War of Thorns, except make some snide comments, threaten me, and show up in a few role play scenes in between events.

So really the Alliance is almost out of characters to develop, everyone else has had their moment. The only open story line right now is Tyrande being pissed off and sick of inaction by Anduin, and what Anduin is going to eventually do about it.

tl;dr - I would like to see some Horde development I can be happy about, instead of the outcomes being “dead” or “Bloodthirsty psycho.” I want the noble savagery of the Horde back, good guys with a bad past, the beat-up underdogs trying to hold off the world so they can survive and rebuild. That is what drew me in. If I want to be a genocidal bad guy I will load up my special necromancer Skyrim save and murder all of the townsfolk.

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I was talking about overall through the whole game for character development. Apparently NPCs like Cairne, Grom, and those others were major characters and a huge loss to the horde, but Delaryn, Tirion, Sira, and Cordana dont count. So what would even the tally? What characters would be a good trade?

Cause I am not really invested in any of the Alliance characters. Alleria or Turalyon or Jaina. Even malfurion or Tyranduh. Take em if it makes horde players feel better. Heck you guys can go ahead and kill anduin for all I care.

Lets stop destroying alliance cities for awhile then and focus on killing some NPCs.

For who? Alliance or horde? Did Talanji not get her time to shine and her story? It makes sense that we have messed around with jaina and her family since the kultirans are our zandalari equivalent.

I havent seen anduin since the saurfang cinematic. In fact, the only character of note I have really seen regularly IS jaina. Darkshore and that cinematic was a pretty big letdown considering where it ended up with the showdown with Nathanos. Havent had any follow up for it since either. Also, have no idea what is going to happen to Mekkatorque.

Im not going to rehash all of Legion. I spent a lot of time helping the nightborne, who had the longest story of all the races, and highmountain. It makes sense that with going to argus (their home world) and needing a spaceship that the draenei were front and center. Blizz could have absolutely made horde stuff though if they took the time.

Well we both agree there. I switched from horde to alliance because of this expansion and I wouldnt ever help them burn teldrassil. I was never devoted to the horde, but I could at least respect them a bit and laugh at the roadkill queens antics (minus gilneas) until that point. I wasnt always spitting mad at the horde.

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This is silly. The “decisive” Horde victories that are regularly referenced are Theramore and Teldrassil, both of which were only won because of underhanded tactics/surprise attacks. It’s not like the Horde went toe-to-toe with a comparably-sized Alliance force and just smashed them without casualties.

The writers can start having the Alliance use dirty tricks too, but then you lose the moral high ground; can’t have it both ways. Even the Blizzard writers understand that.

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Going into the belly of the beast, destroying the fleet (which was the whole point of going to the zandalari). Cutting off the head aka the king and getting away without anyone important dying Scott free isn’t a victory? Yikes.

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Enough about Undercity being anything other than a decisive victory for the Alliance. Sylvanas only blighted the city because she’d already lost, she had no illusions about ‘snatching victory from the jaws of defeat’. She had lost the city and the only thing left was to deny the Alliance their prize—they don’t get to keep the city. Of course the Alliance wasn’t going to keep it anyway, no way would we ever get to set our hearth in Darnassus. Ruins is all any faction can ever hope for in a conquered city.

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So, Cairne, the Old Bull, who was the actual Tauren leader is apparently less important a loss to the Horde than a bunch of minor Alliance NPCs who got elevated in the story so they could die/turn to the Legion, and an awesome neutral NPC who died heroically, but who I’ve heard for years from the people explaining why there is Horde Bias in this game was NOT in any way shape or form an Alliance character because he got kicked out for helping an orc once. You’re really going with that?

(Nevermind the fact that looking back at it now I’m stuck wondering if they had this planned all along with Magni and we lost an awesome leader so the Alliance wouldn’t feel bad for temporarily losing one of theirs, AND that they could steal another piece of Tauren story and give that to the Alliance too)

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I never said he wasn’t important. I am asking why are only Horde characters who die important? Everyone keeps saying that the Alliance characters are minor… But I haven’t seen or heard anything about the NPCs brought up on the Horde side in game except Saurfang’s son of course in ICC.

You’re annoyed at me for being blase when it comes to the characters you are invested in, then turn right around and wave the ones I am invested in away as “minor”.

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Nah, I’m annoyed that you’re equating a racial leader with NPCs. Like if I were to complain that Alliance players weren’t taking the Horde losing, or looking to lose characters like the Black Bride, General Nazgrim, Zelling, or Xarantaur as seriously as they took the loss of Varian Wrynn. (would have liked to have used a non high king, but you haven’t lost one of those permanently)

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Well, since I don’t have anything invested in our racial leaders I guess I don’t look at characters the same way you do where a racial leader means more than another character. For example, I would be more upset over losing Maiev than I would Anduin.