Yep tried explaining this one but they just don’t get it. Oh well
But so is slowly building up a group in local chat/world chat, making your way to a summoning stone for a single specific instance and then running that instance before reversing all the way back home again, but yet pretty much everyone agrees RDF was a huge quality of life improvement and that is a much larger “change to the game” than simply removing premades or creating a solo queue.
LFR is another great example of realizing that the game doesn’t need to purely be about group content, that lots of solo players want to experience more and creating a system that allowed it.
Solo shuffle is yet another example - this time in PVP where the realization that forcing group-content to be competitive is no longer what the player base want.
Even BGs used to require you to physically fly to Arathi Highlands to queue but now we can just click a button.
In fact, the game has changed constantly - in increasingly dramatic ways - to make it more solo-friendly, more alt-friendly, more casual-friendly and to be more accessible… except random BGs. Banks now allow you to use reagents anywhere in the world, I can level in any expansion I want with chromie time, heck, in a few hours I can invite Alliance into my horde guild and finally kill a great divide of 17+ years.
And yet, random BGs remain nearly identical in every way since… 7.3 when Seething Shore was released? How different is PVP now vs 10 years ago? How different are players, and even how they interact and connect? How much better are they? How much has the skill gap increased?
So there can be changes that happen to the game that completely change the experience in favor of a more casual and solo-friendly experience and largely everyone loves it, and yet in random BGs it is verboten because getting foflstomped is an inherent part of PVP?
Now the reality is that Blizz doesn’t care about any of us - random BGs are pretty much the McDonalds ball-pits of maintained instances (if someone pukes in the tube, let us know, otherwise go away), but I have to assume that ultimately a data-led decision will proceed potential changes. So we can argue together until we are blue in the face, but ultimately it comes down to money and time and just about nothing else. If blizz sees an exodus of players and a correlation to Random BG experience, they will change it in hopes of increasing retention. If not, then most likely nothing will ever happen (eg. 20 man EBG multi-queue teams, 6 vs 0 healer queues, 7v10 man queues, etc).
That being said, in my opinion something has to change and a solo-queue random BG would be a quick/easy stop-gap. I think a lot of people would face some harsh realities (oh crap, I actually suck, it wasn’t a boogeyman), but it would at least level the field.
You know if you put half the effort you put into your delusional forum posts into making a friend you’d have someone to carry you in bgs
LFR is widely considered one of the worst things to ever be introduced into this game. It killed the casual raid guild
Solo shuffle has annihilated the arena population and has caused extremely poor balance discouraging people from pvp
You would just complain about something else if they removed your ability to Q with a friend
I mean in fairness, this is coming from a guy who habitually pvps the forums so much he is now mid-argument with a stranger about the timing of the covid pandemic vs shadowlands release schedule so I think I will be a-ok without your support homie.
My opinion differs than yours and for some reason you’re… threatened? and need to lash out with personal attacks - I have no friends, I need to be carried, I am delusional, I complain about everything - when the reality is that we just think differently. You think you know what’s best, I think I do - why don’t we just leave it at that.
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I can prove to you how bad solo shuffle is for the game
You don’t even play it.
In the same way you wouldn’t do BG’s if they removed premades.
Players like you just look for excuses for their losses and misfortune
You haven’t done LFR, you don’t play shuffle, you don’t do anything
You come on the forums just to complain and argue for changes that even if they were implemented. You still wouldn’t play the game.
You did more arena in shadowlands. You did more RBG’s in shadowlands.
You have gained 20 honor levels since the start of dragonflight. That’s nothing. The game is more casual than it’s ever been, and yet you still don’t play it.
Dude for the love of god that’s six edits in a row over a 5 minute period, can you just silence the stream of consciousness replying for 30 seconds. Holy impulse control issues.
Just look me up, you know how to. I’m not great - I’m probably barely mediocre, but I’ve stumbled into a few BGs by accident before. Even might have tried rated content. Might even actually prefer group content in PVP and find RBGs with guildies the best part of the game. I just know the current random BG environment doesn’t work anymore and needs a change.
So come at me, earn your BG forums conquest and congratulate yourself on a gaslight well-done. Just get it out of your system and then move on.
Like the silly shakes, but for your brain.
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Shoot and I still missed another rapid-fire edit/personal shot. Just host a zoom call and save the poor forums already.
You’re literally dodging the fact that even though the game is substantially more casual friendly. Solo shuffle, LFR, equalized gear. You still don’t play it. You spent the entire last expansion on the forums complaining about gear. They fixed it and you don’t play the game. Stop trying to change a game you hardly care about. It’s cringe
You’ve literally gained 100 achievement points since the start of the expansion. Turns out gear being equalized just let your mind wonder to another fictitious issue
They’ll make it so premades can’t Q together, and you’ll find another thing to complain about. You’re just a crybaby
I’ve faced you in bgs. You’re horrible. You fight on the road, don’t know how to use your defensives, get 0 kills 10 deaths and probably just blame your team.
I beat you 100 games out of 100 solo. I assure you
They have such high morals they spam racist slurs in instance chat and if you say anything to them they spam you in whispers in game and out.
Dude you’re spiraling - I don’t care that you’re better than me; lots of people are! You’re putting in extra effort to discredit my opinion and it’s admirable but it doesn’t change anything. Horrible is a bit hurtful - I’m pretty sure I used the word mediocre before, maybe even decent when explaining pvp to friends, but maybe horrible is apt.
I have to say though, your shadow stalking game is on-point. I have no idea how to even check achievement changes expansion to expansion or aggregate posts across multiple alts quickly (I have a problem), or even remember playing against someone. How did you do all of that? No joke it’s actually pretty impressive if it’s real.
You think because I remember your constant complaint threads in shadowlands I’m a stalker? That’s truly bizarre. You made a bad name for yourself, and I remembered.
How am I spiraling by pointing out the fact that even though this is the version of the game you said you would play. You don’t? There is no version of this game that you would play. You’re just a complainer that can’t win a bg and blames everything but their own skill
That is a fair point, this has been the least-active I have been in an expansion since… probably WoD. The whole guild got super amped, played together a bit, got burnt out extremely quickly and RBG nights petered out just as fast. Just couldn’t quite get the hype back after SL (I would wager this is a common theme). I look at current RBG rating of DF1 vs historical of the guild and it’s a sea of zeroes.
Maybe I posted about gear? I honestly don’t remember. Link a thread, I am curious what I said the issue was and why I left an impression on you.
I got better things to do than dig through your old threads
Prob for the same reason snowcrest isn’t on the forums anymore. He realized he wasn’t a good player and stopped posting
That’s because you’re just chronically making things up to suit your narrative homie!
Anyways, best of luck to you in 10.1
if you say so
I would wish you luck too, but I don’t want to waste it on someone who won’t use it
One last thing. Just so I can bookmark the thread.
Would you play the game if blizzard addressed premades? (That’s what I thought.)
EDIT: Did you just answer your own question in dramatic parenthesis fashion? I am going to keep the pre-edit version up top so you can let that diva flag fly.
Dude, I have no idea what the future holds or if removing premades would suddenly make the game great. I would wager it would not, but it would help. I’ve probably played a hundred+ BGs in DF, you would think that was enough! But sadly not enough for you - sorry about that. Would people play more if they balanced Ret? Probably. Would it fix PVP? Not by itself. Would they enjoy leveling BGs more if MM was addressed? Probably as well. Would that fix it entirely? Not likely.
But just because there is no silver bullet doesn’t mean we have to just like everything as-is and not vie for change.
Maybe when Consideratebri logs in, we can have a constructive conversation with them. In the interim, I will humbly await you bumping this thread in a few months when I don’t bg as much as you demand.
You wouldn’t play the game until you could win 100% of your games with 0 talent.
Got it.
Do us all a favor and stay out of issues that don’t pertain to you.
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truuue, they barely balance rated PvP they don’t care about randoms lets be real
This is the part I am disagreeing with.
You are describing this mythical player that would have been a big PvPer if only they had gotten stomped in random bgs a bit less.
I simply don’t believe that player exists. Anyone who gives up due to random bg losses was never going to be a PvPer.
But on the flipside if they killed premades, and disallowed already dedicated PvPers from playing with their friends, that would cause some people to quit.
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They’re doing massive class changes every week/two weeks the entirety of the xpac
I hate the meta, but to say they aren’t putting effort into balancing it is dumb
Ha! Perfect.
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