So premades are... actually a problem

Just do it against other players doing the same… I mean that should be no problem right? Your friends vs say Mithrils friends :slight_smile: after all you only want to play with friends…

Sure, that’s totally fine.

You do know they already do this right? The system already tries to put you against other groups, and unless you are playing in a super slow time then you will mostly get qued against other groups.

Pretty much the only time a group will go against a full team of solos is when que times are getting long.

While Random BG does refer to the randomness at which you will get a battleground, blizzard has stated before that they prefer people playing in random battlegrounds to be on equal footing and they strive for fair and balanced gameplay. The last time they gave this reasoning was justifying updating a formula to allow premades to pair against each other more often.

While I would not like it if we disallowed players to queue together, there’s no denying that solo play is the future. Look at Solo Shuffle compared to 2v2, 3v3, and RBG.
In the last 72 hours:
6382 games of 2v2 were played.
20023 games of 3v3 were played.
1150 RBG games were played.
94381 solo shuffle games were played.

And this is the end of a season. Imagine what it will look like in 2 weeks. Modern gamers don’t want to have to find groups for content. There’s a reason why we are all in our 30’s and 40’s and the younger generation stays away from WoW lol.

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Oh I realise they ‘try’ to do it. But its not concrete I would happily wait another 2-3 mins for a fair game. But I would gladly watch Mithrandir vs Starlord premade go at it and watch the loser QQ about it.

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Yeah that is an extreme argument, but one that I see pop up every time this discussion happens. “random bgs should only be solo players allowed”. To be clear I am not saying you are making that argument, my apologies if it came across that way.

The MM system already tries to match groups vs groups. Would you want them to make that a hard rule?

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:man_facepalming:

Jeeze Starlord, back from one ban and straight into another one.

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The ironic part is I picture him as the guy from Southpark Wow episode :rofl:

Just another QQ loser

Sure that’d be fine. I pretty much only do grouped randoms in the evenings prime time, while waiting on other guildies to log on, so it wouldn’t really personally affect me. It would hurt folks who try to que as a group in off times, they might sit in ques for hours. But eh personally I’d be fine with them making the group v group thing a hard rule.

I’m game.

Like I said most of the time when I que up as a group we face another group on the enemy team. So this would be just business as usual.

We wouldn’t QQ tho if we lost, sometimes ya win sometimes ya lose, it’s just a game at the end of the day it ain’t that serious. It’s you that come here crying that you lost some random BGs to a group of guildies, not me. Project harder.

This is theory, Orc science even. If it does work 30%? of the time could it be better?
Reading the room, from here to across the world I am sure that folks would like some changes for the positive.

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In my personal experience it’s way higher than that, like 75%+ at least. The vast majority of games I que with guildies we are facing another group.

But to be fair I pretty much only do grouped randoms during prime time. Generally while waiting on guildies to log on so we can que rated games. If I am doing bgs during slow times it’s solo quing so I probably have a skewed perspective.

Blizzard could have completely disabled the premade matching system to speed up queue times.

There’s clear evidence that the system does a really poor job matching up premades (e.g. epic bgs).

At this point, none of us know.

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Oh yeah Im happy for you to call me whatever you want bubz… fact remains. Premade vs premade at least. I as a solo queuer should not be subject to facing a premade without having a premade on our team AT LEAST.

If you disagree with that basic concept of fairness I actually feel sorry for your reasoning skills and abilities.

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Something I will say and this was figured out on dust pile math in an Orgrimmar laneway.
Hand built so opinion piece incoming, if matches were built better more players would be available. Queue times might not just go up, but actually shorten up due to bigger pools.

I mostly queue around 8-11 AM EST. It would kill group content for me. The only spare evenings I have outside of real-life obligations are taken up by my guilds raiding schedule. It doesn’t feel like there are a lot of groups going at that time, and if we are getting matched against them then they’re pretty bad.

I can’t believe there isn’t an add-on that let’s us see who’s in a group.

Surely the amount of people that only want a challenge in the premade community would help you out would make queue times non- existant. /s

Someone modified an addon to try to do that. They can at least see the party leaders.

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No. Let’s not further water this game down to fight an issue. They already have rules in place regarding getting a raid group into randoms. Enforce the rules. Don’t water the game down even more.

Oh yeah I like never do EBGs… they feel anything but epic amiright lol.

I am speaking from the perspective of quing normal random BGs, during peak server times. In my experience we are almost always put against another group.

Again I probably have a skewed perspective on it, that’s just my experience. I can’t really speak to what anyone else has seen, just what I have.

I feel sorry for your reading comprehension because I have clearly stated, multiple times, that I have no issue with group v group quing.

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Is this a new function? I have BGE and i’ve never seen this before.

Oat and Stonehorn! Haven’t seen those guys since Shadowlands. Good to see they’re still playing.