I certainly won’t try to make heads or tails of it.
WoW’s writing has never been stellar but BfA’s writing in particular is an eight-way trainwreck.
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sorry for dreaming up BFA’s story. It’s obvious I’m an idiot since no one likes it.
They managed to butcher so many chacters in such a short time, its actually quite impressive
Lillian, rexxar, garona, baine, just to name a few
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She is morally grey. She gave up her life to be the enemy of life to free us in death. Shes saving us in the afterlife
Uh I think she gave up night elf lives(along with alliance/horde) instead of her own
Silly mistake
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She’s as morally grey as my foot is a turtle.
Read some books. Learn what a proper morally grey character is. Sylvanas is straight up evil.
Which, by the way, you can be evil and have good reasons to do things.
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I agree with your Shadowlands guess. I just wish it had been breadcrumbed to us a little better.
As for the retaking of Darkshore, I’m mostly just nitpicking.
Warfronts and Island Expeditions are content I WANT to like…but really can’t stand doing very often.
Excuse me while I projectile vomit with such force as to propel myself through the wall of my house.
I would reckon most people who try to argue that she is not evil are trolls who are just trying to amuse themselves over easily riling people up. Grouping them up with others who genuinely like Sylvanas for what she is, myself included, is a common misconception that many people are stubborn about not addressing. I don’t regret burning that tree down one bit.
Storywriting is not my forte and I haven’t played this game since she was a major character so I cannot vouch for how much has changed over the years and whether all of it is justified. That being said, given that we’re not in control of the story, there’s nothing we can do except gripe over it when it doesn’t suit our fancies. Case in point: my feelings on Nzoth’s demise. However, it is also severely misguided to not be able to differentiate between a fictional character and a real storyteller. This is the same kind of people who hate on Lena Heady for her role as Cersei. It’s silly, and at some point, you need to learn how to move on.
I’m also not asking for a redemption story for her. That being said, if the plan all along was to free us from some kind of greater evil, then that’s not a redemption story. People tend to forget that Blizzard plans entire expansions in advance; they just don’t tell us the whole plot in advance as well. So if her intention all along was indeed what I mentioned, then yes that’s morally grey. Because you’re committing a wrongdoing for the greater good. I don’t know for certain if that’s the route the story will take in the future, and if it doesn’t, then that’s a discussion for another time. For now, that’s just how it is. Que sera, sera.
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I agree with everything you said except for this bit. Even if done for “good” reasons genocide is an undeniably evil act. She’s done it–or at least attempted it–a couple of times over the years too, even before she was in league with the jailor.
You can have evil hero characters. They’re actually super interesting when done correctly too. Sylvanas just hasn’t been done correctly. I suspect that mostly has to do with the medium the story is being told through though. Blizzard doesn’t have the luxury of the slow burn that a proper novel (or series of novels) would allow to build everything up.
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That’s completely fair. Honestly, that is what makes for good debates as well, which is when both sides of an argument are willing to understand or at acknowledge the other. Most of these threads tend to be very one-sided hammering so it’s been rather dampening on the hopes of seeing decently constructed arguments out there.
You and anyone else are well within your rights to dislike her for her actions. As are others for the opposite. Unfortunately, not everyone knows how to be civil to it’s refreshing to see a change for once. 
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For me the most amazing thing about the warcraft franchise was wc3 / up to the end of MOP and some bits of WOD.
Blizzard took the cliched orc concept of being generic bad guy minions and made them the stars of the franchise. Thrall and Grom where a glorious dynamic and Metzen really did a first class job fleshing out this fantasy world we all live in.
Unfortunately it looks like those iconic origins are long gone and they are pushing the story to areas that quite frankly are terrible bland and not at all up to the quality of those early days.
There is no nuance or dual perspective to wow anymore. it doesnt feel like a world with multiple perspectives opinions and stories. The cliches are prevelent and the episodic content patches feel disjointed to the overall world and character motivations that inhabit it.
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this guy gets it
I think blizzard will redeem Sylvanas, somehow.
When she said: Ours is a cycle of hatred, we paid thr price for “sharing” this world, we forgot what makes us strong, and I will set us all free.
She’s probably saying that the Forsaken are sharing this mortal plane, they hate life, and finally they will be freed.
Back to the ark of redeemtion, same with Uther, half bad is Sylvanas now and “her” good and noble soul is in the Jailer control, we save her, she saves us and became the new whathever death entity will be good for everyone.
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They lied like Todd Howard does.
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(Wish I could say you’re wrong. But no, that seems to be right on the money for the writer’s thinking)
I mean, that’s basically all that’s left to complete this clown fiesta of writing they’ve created.
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Sounds like an alliance disability. Go to your local horde witch doctor to get rid of it.
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Why do you think we are going to the Shadowlands…the place that deals with souls …souls that have been damaged by Frostmourne. We wouldn’t be going there unless redemption was on the table.
Metzen was the one that wrote the cinematic, and he’s said that he had no idea what came after and was convinced Lordaeron came before Teldrassil. He probably wrote the cinematic thinking she was growing into the Warchief position, not ready to abdicate it.
Anyway, for those curious, someone on the story board has been compiling what turned out to be lies.
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Sylvanas, the plot armor is thick, maybe even through next expansion. I still think she should have given the old lich king the final bow at the cost of her undead life.
Poetic justice, vengeance and a neatly wrapped up story.