Well yes of course the other two BG’s are better for HPH as they don’t give horde a massive map advantage.
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Never stop lying. Never stop insulting. Never stop attacking. The best play when you have run out of anything productive. But keep pushing that 10 minute queue 50% win rate lie.
You’ve built a narrative in your mind and instead of addressing any of the evidence to the contrary you gotta keep attacking. The biggest sign of weakness. But keep telling yourself what ever you need to. When your life becomes devoted to lying exclusively about AV on a forum, it might be time for you to step back and consider what you’re doing with your life.
2000 posts of complete and utter drivel, all trabalistc garbage. Stop. Just stop…for your own health. But let’s be honest here, you cannot help yourself but attack people. It’s a compulsion and so completely predictable now.
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Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Yes, you could say that as well and it’d be just as true.
Those complainers are wrong. I think the people hyping up the cave disparity and such are overstating their case by a long shot.
Yes, this is what I meant. Since optimal HPH doesn’t involve AV for Alliance, geared Alliance have no incentive to queue for AV.
As for how to fix it “without destroying vanilla AV”? I don’t think it’s possible by terms that your typical NoChanges type would accept. I’m not a NoChanger, so I’d be comfortable with changes that they wouldn’t be (say, add periodic honor ticks for holding graveyards/mines akin to AB, boost honor from HKs and modify honor DR specifically in AV). It would be very difficult to do without destroying AB/WSG premades, and I doubt Blizzard is willing or capable of it.
Shocking that the two BG’s that don’t give horde a massive map advantage are better for alliance rankers…
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Oh look, you got caught in a lie, an obvious lie at that- pretending that every post made in 2019 happens to be on the 19th of each month- and instead of addressing it or admitting you lied you go on the offense.
You were caught lying, and per usual you keep lying and insulting instead of addressing it.
You’re a tribalist with nothing to stand on, thousands of posts of you saying nothing of value and consistently being wrong on everything.
You were just caught lying, with no defense, so you offer no defense- continue with your mindless drivel all you want, but now everyone sees you for who you are, someone willing to tell any lie in your tribalistic defense of the Horde.
I always thought that the non-win condition objectives should have been a LOT more valuable rep and honor wise, and the win condition reward decreased by a ton. In fact, one of the WORST changes during vanilla were marks of honor. Should never have been a thing, and they, combined with cross realm BGs, created the “hurry up and lose” meta, cave AFKing, PVP ghosting, etc, with zero server accountability.
Remove MoHs from AV
Increase honor and rep (ticks) while held
Decrease win condition rep/honor
Perhaps get rid of diminishing returns in AV?
Never stop lying. Never stop insulting. Never stop attacking. Gave you the chance to not give into that compulsion, but you took the bait…you just can’t help yourself.
Oddly i actually agree with you for once. Oh but the summoning locations would need to be fixed.
This would create a situation where a permanent turtle is actually good for both sides.
It’s hard to speak for anybody else, but personally, I actually enjoy AV. I’ve played a lot of it over the years and was looking forward to playing it again in Classic. Horde just didn’t play this way back then… they started probably somewhere around Cata, I think? At least on my battlegroups. I want to play, but in its current state it’s just not fun. So I slogged through, got my rep for my healing offhand, and moved on.
So you’re right in that once Alliance get their stuff, they’re inclined to move on… but it kind of undercuts the core issue, which is that people would play if the BG wasn’t such a disaster with the modern meta 
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Gave you the chance to admit your lie, you didn’t take it- you just can’t help but be a habitual liar. Caught in an obvious lie and you’re sticking to it- it’s sad really, but I guess that’s all we can expect from an obvious tribalist like yourself.
PS- the insults I’ve thrown your way are all ones you’ve been using, so if you consider that to genuinely be bad behaviour it’s time to look at yourself and maybe change your own behaviour.
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Alliance just didn’t give up this easily once an exploit was removed is closer to the truth. Horde are not better or have created a new meta, as much as alliance got upset that a premade xploit was removed, so they lay down and take a beating while sulking.
I agree. Completely. But I just want the situation fixed properly. I just think there are issues that have to be fixed before we can even understand what problems, if any, are map related.
Obviously it’s not in a good state, but I don’t think anyone can fairly judge the map when so many players refuse to try and win.
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Horde didn’t play scorched earth in vanilla.
first sentence is exactly why you lose every av
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Yes we can because the map was an issue when players were in fact trying to win. That test has already been done and shown that the map is the issue.
They started playing this way as a way to have a shot at beating premades. Unfortunately, the Alliance rankers don’t get enough HPH in AV (even if they got a 30 min win it wouldn’t be enough) due to instant queues so they left. That left a lot of the alliance who were playing for fun / mid tier rankers left holding the bag against horde rankers who never left (and are still there btw).
The map is definitely a factor in the win rate, but it isn’t nearly as big a factor as the alliance make it out to be. It is probably about 60% of the reason the win rate is what it is which still isn’t fair and still demands attention from the devs. It gets old reading the 95% thing though (not you) over and over again. Because there are multiple factors causing this. The map being a big one, but definitely not the only one.
False, they started playing this way in BC when reinforcements were added. It gave horde the same win rate they have now. It ended when alliance boycotted the BG to the point that horde stopped playing scorched earth.
We’ll see how far horde want to take it in classic.
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Someone else mentioned it, but the problem is with the scorched earth strat. It didn’t really surface until Cata and by then, AV had reinforcements and the game had different mechanics. Last I seriously invested in AV was WoD and Horde were premade queueing and dominating it for the entire expansion. PuG games were better, but Scorched Earth has always been quite strong. It just didn’t get played in Vanilla.
I don’t disagree with your path forward, but I think map imbalances are pretty safe to outright acknowledge when Alliance premades could be held off, and defeated, by Horde PuGs back when the BG first released
Alliance premades had to play a pretty tight game to pull off the fabled 6 minute win and as soon as Horde figured out they could just turtle it, things fell apart.
Either way, I’m all for any actual effort put into this BG by the devs. This is one area where changes are needed, or it’ll just die off.
I was playing AV in Classic the first couple of weeks when both sides were rushing. I was playing AV in Classic during the premade era when Horde didn’t bother trying to do anything and just killed Lts + Balinda while waiting for an 8 minute loss. I was there when Horde started to defend against premades and do this “scorched earth” trash you keep talking about. I have been here after the rankers left and now alliance doesn’t even regularly have enough players actually engaged to hold SHGY regularly.
But please, tell me about TBC because that’s relevant right? Oh yeah. I forgot. Nothing you say is relevant.
AV is garbage, like many things in classic. WSG and AB are very competitive and fun. Something is wrong with AV. No BGs on retail had 1% winning rate. Nobody on alliance is playing it because it’s ruin by design. Only rep masochists.
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