Hey who invited Traitor McArmsface to this discussion? 
sup buddy
There will always be a weakest, we definitely are competitive with rogues, DHs and rets. UHDK is broken, and even they know it, we can agree there.
Would I enjoy some buffs? Of course, itâs fun. Is it necessary? Absolutely not, Limit got world 1st with 2 warriors in raid pre-buffs; that alone invalidates any argument that weâre useless.
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Hey bb I been playing fury again, I couldnât stand upsetting you D:
Again and again and again Iâll say it, there is nothing wrong with being last, itâs the gap between the best and the worst as well as the gap between the worst and the 2nd worst that is an issue. Warrior single target is way too low and needs a buff, do we need to be doing as much as a boomkin? No, but to claim we are on par with DHs rets and rogues can be disproven by simply looking at WCL.
By who on WCL? The entire population? Go to the top 50 guilds and check the logs on all 10 fights. Focus on the best players, there are warriors in the top 3-5 of several fights across many of those logs.
We cannot and should not base it around the entire WoW population, as the vast majority are not good at the game and if a warrior plays poorly, we are definitely trash.
The #1 guild in the world used 2 warriors, voluntarily, before any buffs. Atrocity was heavily competitive.
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There are plenty of metrics you can look at that are a better indicator to the state of warriors than the class comp of one guild that doesnât even log. I canât pretend to know why they brought 2 warrior as much as I can claim to know why atrocity chose to go warlock instead of warrior after getting CE.
You have decided we have major issues and refuse, despite the fact that players far better than you or I think otherwise, to accept that we are perfectly useful and viable and bring good damage, execute phases, and group utility.
We are completely in line with the other melee, within a few %, besides UHDK. We excel on certain fights, and fall behind on mechanic intensive fights, and thatâs ok.
Atrocity went warrior FOR PROGRESSION, he didnât love his warrior and have to swap to lock. Atrocity mained DH prior to this tier.
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Get him on the phone then. Iâm sorry, canât defer to authority without some backing as to why they brought him. I choose to look at numbers instead of praying to a mythical higher being.
You know these guys all made videos and did interviews about their decisions right?
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Cool, link one.
What you just typed literally made zero sense; you have physical data of the world 1st, #1 guild bringing 2 warriors and the #2 guild bringing an arms warrior (Revvez), yet you want to moan and cry endlessly rather than accept that we arenât going to be the top of the top this tier. And thatâs ok, we are literally perfectly fine.
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Canât claim to know why the number one guild brought 2 warriors. But I know why the #2 guild did. Battle Shout.
They brought 2 warriors because we have amazing utility, and amazing 2 target cleave with top tier execute phases (yaknow, the most important phase of progression kills?)
Yes, battleshout is a part of our utility.
Iâm not saying there isnât a good reason why they brought 2 warriors. Maybe there is but appeal to authority is a logical fallacy for a reason. I just want to know the reason why you think they did.
Theyâre out there. Iâve linked them before, itâs in the post history. Iâve never seen someone who didnât simply adapt their argument to say something along the lines of âwell who cares if warrior is just good on those couple of fights that make or break the raidâ or âwell I donât care what the best raid guilds think anywayâ. If you actually cared, knowing its out there would compel you to find it. So letâs just skip to whatever adjustment youâre going to make without me going around digging up videos for you that you could find yourself.
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I have a video of limit saying it was a massive mistake to bring warriors at all whatsoever and they would have killed the boss a week earlier if they didnât. Trust me the videos exist. just do your own research buddy. Iâm making a claim that evidence exists but itâs up to you to find it.
See how this is a problem?
One is someone refusing to invest time in gathering up readily available sources that most people seriously participating in this discussion are already familiar with when itâs not going to make you reconsider your position anyway. The other is someone being intentional obstinate.
This is not how real discussions work. If something is part of the basic assumed knowledge set or a common source everyoneâs familiar with, your ignorance doesnât let you just demand everything be made easy and cited for you. Youâre behind the curve on knowing things relevant to what youâre arguing. Catch up.
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I know that in your head you think youâre right, but I have never seen a single video from limit explaining their class comp. I am genuinely interested in their reasoning. But making claims that evidence exists then refusing to provide it, then claiming that the other person is in the wrong for not doing extensive research to find this video that may or may not exist is dishonest at best. So until one of us provides evidence then we are on equal footing.
And just for reference I am watching https://www.twitch.tv/videos/849776087?t=5h3m2s%2F%3Ftt_content%3Dtwitch_logo and he mentions nothing about warriors. Maybe just maybe evidence that fits your narrative exists but donât claim it exists without proof. Until then I am choosing to not link the other video I have that totally disproves your argument because do your own research buddy.
In fact watching that video he says that had they had the chance to do it all over again that atrocity would have run WW over Warrior. 3:46:03 
WW, unholy, feral, outlaw all have great performance. Melee isnât gimped, thereâs just a few range dps who are incredibly over tuned giving the appearance melee dps is gimped.