You’re kinda drifting into nuh uh land, dismissing my own experiences and deflecting. I gave you my own experiences, happening right now, I don’t owe you anything else.
Dual spec isn’t going anywhere but it most certainly has had an impact on the game. If you don’t want to acknowledge that, or just don’t care, no problem. I’d advise pulling your head out of the sand but hey, I don’t control you any more than you control me.
All the best out there! 
Asking you for any evidence to back up a claim is “drifting into nu uh land”?
You do understand that it’s quite the opposite right when you keep saying these things with any evidence available shows otherwise right
+5 to dodge.
The big fly in your ointment is this isn’t relevant to how large a change dual specs are. Its just one of a hundred hypothetical scenarios you can cherry pick to play the shell game with the feature itself like it isn’t the elephant in the room.
Yeah because no one would be dumb enough to have this exact conversation when dual specs are already in the game. Try harder.
You are right this is 1 of 100 hypothetical situations. It’s also hypothetical but gdkp actually can give pets cancer. It’s just a hypothetical but you have to accept it because I said it.
The quote really just ends here
Literally Nobody™ is claiming that Dual Spec will have no effect on the game (Era).
in point of fact, Literally Multiple Players© are saying that these manufactured concerns about impact are overblown (at best) or blatant fabrications with zero supporting evidence (what most of you are doing).
You can’t downplay one side while exaggerating the other. If that’s what you’re going with here you also need to acknowledge that nobody is claiming that Dual Spec is going to kill the game and that we’re all doomed.
Indeed, all I said is that it will increase pressure to play a spec you otherwise might not want to.
inb4 nuh uh squad
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Huge PvP duelist player here. I’m satisfied with just dueling and doing wsg/ab/pvp all day.
Still against duel spec. Is it convenient in the short term? Obviously.
A lot of the criticisms people level against it is still true. It wasn’t part of OG vanilla. It ruins having to decide on something and run with it. It causes inflation and devaluing of gold.
Holy shock and its variations of 2h holy shock ret for instance was very useful and I’m a big proponent of it, but it tends to have more of a heyday in early phases due to scaling, around late BWL-AQ it starts having scaling problems. You can still run it (and I was for instance, when it came to healing raids with extra % healing but still having SoC & Crit for swapping on ret gear) without having to respec every time.
Holy shock went from being useful/great/best move maybe 5% of the time with a lot of people were none the wiser, to maybe 0.5% or something. Basically the only justification for it is “in pvp when repentance cannot be used but the consistent damage of a holy shock crit is better” when it’s competing with things like 2h wep spec, sanct and vengeance scaling from gear.
There’s plenty of reasons to be against it as a PvPer, doesn’t mean everyone has to agree with it or not, but I will remind people the false security of consensus with the majority is not a very strong argument. People have collectively agreed with all kinds of things in the past and will in the future, sometimes they were correct, sometimes they were not. Many people backtracked on the original launch spell batching, but we’ve been back and forth a few times. First it was Blizz’s spell batching window, then it was “we did it guys, we got spell batching back!” fast forward and it’s changed, reduced again. Hollywood movies or the superhero ones are another example, Scorsese was right, they are theme park ‘movies’. They don’t really care about the quality of something, they just have a cookie cutter template that they churn out product after product for $. It’s not just movies or shows, it’s everything. Meanwhile most people seem myopic, “well it feels good for me right now” seen it in many different versions of many games. I was called crazy, other people were that saw this, the writing on the wall, what did people say years ago with the first few Avenger movies, of this criticism? The same thing “well it’s entertaining to me right now, people aren’t going to get superhero fatigue…”
wrong 
most people wrongly say it has no impact on game play and is just “QoL”.
I am
Fair.
But then there’s
But encouraging it into that two year long ditch
Yeah. I need to let it die too.
The damage is done.
whoa i am tl3 now
ban incoming no doubt lmaooo
some players just want YOU to be miserable, Eyr
ask me how I know
this is part-n-parcel with raiding.
you may want to raid as Retribution (as an example) but your guild may need you to be Holy or you will be benched (at best) or expelled from the guild (at worst).
Dual Spec is irrelevant here.
there’s absolutely no way you don’t know this.
Not sure what you mean here. I’m not asking for dual spec to be removed. I’m allowed to dislike it though. I’m certainly not posting a new thread twice a day on the topic 
Your argument is black and white, which probably explains why dual spec is something that you think is perfectly fine. There’s a whole lot of nuance here that’s entirely missed. In the case of the game, it’s just been eliminated.
I know what this change has cost, even if you don’t. You have your preference and I have mine.
What’s ironic here is that in another 5 years or so, everybody will be frothing at the mouth, demanding that original Vanilla experience. You keep saying you want to bookmark this thread, you can check back on this one too 
dual spec changes absolutely nothing about guilds, raid progression, and what may be expected of members of said guild during said raid progression.
if you want to raid as a retibution paladin and your guild needs you to raid as a holy Paladin, then you either acquiesce to the guild’s needs or you find yourself another guild.
in this context, dual spec changes nothing, and if it did then you or someone else could explain how but it won’t and it doesn’t so you can’t
First two sentences: yes of course that’s fine.
Final thought quoted: sure it’s not multiple threads initiated by you. Yet. But you’re doing just fine stoking this one. Maybe it makes it two years and zombies out.
When?
Same could be said for me at this point though.
I know multiple guilds on Era requiring the Rogues to have 2 combat specs for Naxx.
One with 2/2 in murder (for spider wing and human mobs.)
One with those 2 pts moved to Imp Eviscerate for all the wings with undead mobs as the Murder talent doesn’t affect undead.
That’s just one class and one example. I’ve also heard in discord a couple hunter friends are required to bring their normal TrueShot aura spec and then another spec to do some strange skip stuff.
Do these cases affect all 40 people in the raid no. But I don’t play a healer for example so I’m not sure if there’s anything going on with them with some niche talents or specs.
This also won’t affect dad gamer guilds that clear Naxx in 5 hrs either obviously, but blindly making the comment you did with no evidence especially since you don’t speed clear or prob even clear Naxx.
Look at Anniversary, they removed the buff cap and now all the speed clear guilds require all raiders to bring all these niche consumes even if they only add 1 dps. Dual spec has the same affect, swap a spec for a boss even if its a very minimal gain.
watch him ignore this
If I was wrong about any of this (I’m not), then you would have to make a choice between dealing with the damage that Dual Spec is doing to your Classic Era experience -OR- quit
And if you’re not going to quit, then Dual Spec is, in fact, NOT damaging your Classic Era experience.
all roads lead to Jeddite winning and you coping and seething \o/
So your argument is. “if you don’t quit playing because of a change it doesn’t affect your gameplay”
Just because someone continues to play and accept the change doesn’t mean it didn’t have an affect…. And you said it didn’t change anything?
Now your saying “don’t like the change then quit”
Which one is it?