I literally gave you 2 examples of how dual spec changed how 2 classes play the game…
(not every single person that plays those classes but it happens and you said it affects zero people lol..)
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It doesn’t seem to be exactly this.
It’s actually more disconnected. If it doesn’t cause you to quit, it isn’t damaging your experience.
Either way, he literally made a black/white comment saying…dual spec changes absolutely nothing about guilds, raid progression, and what may be expected of members of said guild during said raid progression.
Like he has some crystal ball to tell him how everyone experiences the game. When he’s literally a gold selling bot that doesn’t even play Era/Anni and just wants to troll.
When I gave 2 examples of how I personally have seen it affect raids for some people.
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Regardless of whatever the other claims are, the idea that if something doesn’t cause you to quit, it isn’t damaging the experience is ridiculous.
“If you didn’t quit running the marathon, then the people in the crowd spitting on you didn’t damage your experience.”
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Pretty much. But like every other fake news post these bots make once they get proven wrong they will continue to move the goal post to make it look like they have some sort of argument.
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At the end of the day it simply doesn’t belong in vanilla/tbc. That’s it. Nothing else to discuss.
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For me it’s not that I’m for or against a certain change. It’s that they can’t help themselves to continue making changes when it was sold as #nochanges to try and capture the original days.
With the worst part being the changes being advocated by FOTM tourists who play Era for a couple months then quit.
The only change I know of that people I’ve played with for 6 yrs on Era even kinda like is Chronoboons because it allows them to play their characters freely throughout the week and not raid log (although most before boons just got buffs the day of raid so wasn’t even bad). And all of them would gladly get rid of boons if it got rid of the other changes and prevented future changes.
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the fact he switched to this means you won the argument 
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This is literally the point of seasonal servers.
It makes no sense for Blizz to keep changing Era. Leave it alone. That’s what they promised 6 years ago. That’s what players wanted: authenticity. If they don’t…they can play any other version of WoW.
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This is the sad lie we were all fed. I still play Era casually only because it’s the closest thing I have to relive 2004 but I really wish they would have left it alone like they promised.
They made like 10 versions of the game but still couldn’t help themselves and had to change Era.
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If that’s how you see it, I’m not going to fight you on it. Interestingly though, nothing I’ve said in this thread has been intended to convince others that they should dislike dual spec. In fact, I’ve repeatedly suggested that we all respect each others preferences, and if that’s stoking the fires… well I suppose this is the WoW forums, after all.
Folks have been triggered for far less 
I think both the boon and the honour changes were positive adds, though I do think the latter needs another iteration in the face of declining Era populations. You should be able to progress through the ranks on 1 game a week… eventually… if that’s all you have access to.
Still, as much as I hate it, I’m starting to agree. Blizzard just can’t help themselves here. We should be able to have nice things but reality suggests otherwise.
I think the way Era is, it’s kind of delicate and that sort of delicate touch could really do with some sort of era-council or democracy system so that they can pick and choose good & bad
Boons so you can play your char during the week? They vote yes
An intelligent honor system based on the limitation of era’s player base? sure
wotlk dual spec? for what purpose
Is it because it’s harder (and a bitter pill to swallow) to remove the dual spec from incoming anniversary characters than it is to just add dual spec to everyone and go wild?
There is a WoW Community Council, but I’m almost positive there are no Era players on it. Here’s the forum if you’re interested:
I agree with you here that there needs to be some kind of bridge between the players and the developers, but also that those players representing this version of the game needs to actually be representatives of this version of the game.
It’s my understanding that OSRS does this quite well. I know they’ve brought in a lot of changes, but as I don’t play that game, I can’t speak to whether or not they’ve kept in line with the original design.
I have played both osrs and the original 2007 rs etc, the game osrs is basically classic+ with a poll system, with most players being extremely pro-changes, the game is barely recognisable from how it began. The game more or less has weekly content updates. The developers are going to the community with changes all of the time and people with a certain amount of skill total + timeplayed within the game can vote.
I would suggest something much more passive for era, as in, they leave it mostly alone except for very fringe stuff that they send to the players and see how they react rather than just pushing it on them
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One of the beautiful things about classic, especially while leveling, was seeing the hodge-podge of compromise builds from people trying to balance dungeon and open world leveling. It’s honestly cool to make a group work from sub-optimal parts; inversely, it was a unique novelty when you ran across that rare, full-spec healer or whatever.
It’s sad to see the interesting quirks of classic gameplay get ironed out.
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Not having an answer to a problem is actually very classic wow, being inconvenienced enough to go find someone to help you with a quest because you have 30 points in holy vs a mob you can’t outheal instead of just swapping to shadow and mindflaying him to death should be a core aspect of the game on era, that’s how it was and that’s how it should stay, in my opinion, there’s plenty of places to get the other experience
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