Oh I get it, I have already explained it a hundred times. You guys just keep conveniently ignoring the points I make.
i see you put 5/5 points into projection 
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If you guys would make a point I would address it. I have made points and you guys never address them even remotely.
So far your point is:
“Wow you don’t get it!!! Wow you don’t understand what this changes??? Wow you really don’t see how this…”
Nope I sure don’t why don’t you explain it to me.
Oh I’ve had this conversation before let me speed run it for us.
“Changing specs mid raid will make it so people have to change to the optimal spec mid raid”
“Ok why wouldn’t they already have felt that pressure to play the optimal spec in the first place, why does changing it mid raid now magically make them go to a spec like holy when holy has always been better?”
“…wow you just don’t get it do you”
because now switching specs requires the pressing of one (1) button, whereas before it was a purposefully inconvenient process of going to town, going to the trainer, respeccing, and traveling back. hope this helps you understand
Eyr, if it’s any consolation – no matter what spec you bring to any raid, you’ll still be abysmally subpar.
because now switching specs requires the pressing of one (1) button, whereas before it was a purposefully inconvenient process of going to town, going to the trainer, respeccing, and traveling back. hope this helps you understand
Compelling gameplay for the other 19/39 players in the raid, assuredly.
Good job literally not addressing the point I made in the speed run convo I gave you LMAO.
I even paraphrased it and made it short and concise and you still dodged it.
If only we could all put 5/5 into understanding and respecting each others differences… 
you guys…
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And again, this didn’t happen on anniversary. I see no reason for it to magically start happening on era.
Of course it didn’t. And it isn’t happening now. Isn’t it in era at this very moment and it’s just not happening? That’s so weird.
I explained why it isn’t happening too right below what you quoted and he just ignored that part lmao
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I remember when they announced it for anniversary people on these forums were saying that every rogue now will spec swap mid wpvp fight (???). Surprising no one, this didn’t happen.
This forum?
It’s always one of those times.
Otherwise the motherless win.
Make a topic about ditches and wander into one.
Surprised?
I don’t think any reasonable person expected this to happen. It’s not even possible because you can’t swap specs in combat. Like sure the rogue could vanish, run away, respec, then try to re-engage but that’s just not terribly practical given how PvP works in this game. I’m sure there’s a niche use where a rogue gets caught in the wrong spec, blinds, spec swaps, then stealths, but it would be rare. Rare enough that I don’t think anybody needs to be upset about it though.
What likely did happen, just not to you, is that anybody playing a non-healing spec hybrid felt increased pressure to play a healing spec. Whether or not they did, or whether or not there was implicit or explicit expectations placed on that person is entirely variable.
All I can tell you is that I, personally, now feel additional pressure to bring a holy spec on my paladin to raids. Not from my guild, but from myself… because it’s just so much easier to do and while I love playing Ret, I do still want to do the best for my guild. So I will probably do this on Naxx raids 'cause that’s where it matters most. My guild is currently only doing Naxx raids on a quarterly, pre-planned basis, so this impact isn’t huge. I will run my now-standard rep/reck combo outside of that.
By the way, I absolutely will swap back and forth between these two for world PvP. I can’t speak to rogues but any ret pally would be crazy not to if they have the option. If you see a melee, engage in reck. If you see a caster, find a quiet place to swap to rep and re-engage. Why would you deliberately nerf yourself when you have the option to be better prepared?
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Because dual specs are an option now and swapping specs is 100 times easier to do than before especially when you account for the gold sink that no longer exists.
A die hard ret paladin is now out of excuses - he can’t point to the lack of dual specs, he can’t point to the cost of respeccing under the old paradigm, he can’t point to the inconvenience of going to a trainer, redoing his talents and hot bars, etc.
People will remind him of how easy, efficient and cost effective it all is and tell him its a no brainer because of how convenient it all is now. Oh hey Bob, great news - you can still be a ret paladin - just not when you’re hanging out with your friends.
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Respeccing cost 50g. If your guild wanted you to go holy, you would have already gone holy.
What you guys are saying didn’t happen in anni. It’s not happening now in era. And it isn’t going to happen if it didn’t already.
If your guild has been taking a ret, they aren’t going to magically say “Hey man this dual spec now magically makes you able to go holy even though you could do it before, but now you can do it on the fly so no more ret lel”
This isn’t happening.
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How do you know this? Do you know all the Ret Paladins on Era and Anniversary? I’m an Era Ret Paladin and I’ve already told you that I, personally, am feeling this pressure. Something you seem to keep ignoring.
Not pressure from my guild, thankfully, but from myself and the objective understanding of the state of the game. It would be silly for me to not use it at the expense of my guild in areas where we need the healer or a Ret Paladin rendered even less effective than it already is due to fight mechanics.
Corpse is absolutely correct here. Not everybody will feel this but it is there. You refusing to see and acknowledge it doesn’t change the fact that it’s there. I’ve already stated that I’m choosing to accept it, but it doesn’t mean that I find it unfortunate. Never mind the fact that I’m rather proud of the fact that I identified a really good leveling tank/dps build for Paladin leveling that now has zero reason to exist.
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if the rogue can get away for 10 seconds why wouldn’t he switch specs? it’s completely cost free. i guarantee this happens every day on PvP servers now.
Actually more like 100g because you have to swap back. But sure, 50g. Then another 50g, then another 50g, then another 50g, then another 50g, then another 50g, then another 50g, then another 50g, then another 50g, then another 50g…
In theory. Unless you are really going to attempt to speak for me and everyone else otherwise we’ll need something called evidence. If my guild is hurting for bodies maybe telling people what to play isn’t in my best interests. I dunno, I guess it kind of depends on the situation. I can’t speak for everyone but typically it goes, you want to play a holy paladin so you find a guild that needs a holy paladin so you can play the holy paladin you wanted to play and not the other way around.
What’s not happening? People aren’t buying dual specs? Shoot, I went cluster to cluster asking horde and alliance about dual specs and was told its great and everyone loves it. What is happening then?
Dual spec is so brain dead easy and convenient you would almost be an idiot not to get it and utilize it and expect the same of others. If your raid is short a healer someone is going to bring it up. “In the old days” it was more convenient and cost effective to play two classes than it was to respec multiple times a week.
To suggest almost nothing changes with a game altering change is absurd.
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this it’s nice that spec swapping is disabled for battlegrounds, but uh, what about world pvp blizzard.
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Show me a single thread where people on anni were complaining about dual spec because this happened to them. You guys are making threads crying about the possibility of it happening. If it was happening you would hear it.
If your raid doesn’t want to bring a ret paladin. They just won’t bring a ret paladin. Dual spec isn’t going to change their mind on whether or not the paladin is being brought.
The conversation “Oh man Chuck we really need a holy paladin…if only we had dual spec you would be able to heal…well I guess because you don’t have dual spec we are just going to bring you as a ret now because there is absolutely nothing we can do about it” has never happened
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