haha well yea
but my assumption is the people in this conversation don’t enjoy that type of content
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‘Fulltime jobs’ wouldn’t consider what they were doing a fulltime job in the least. How fast did they clear heroic? How fast did a decent chunk of ‘raiders’ beat heroic? Before Mythic even released how many had finished the heroic raid? Normal?
Normal raid, last 2 bosses are 233, and they drop gear with domination sockets + legendary bow and other items with special effects… Better trinkets, etc. Even Korthia gear at 233 will get beat by raid gear of the same ilvl and it definitely took far longer to get than clearing normal raid.
Further, people started needing more gear for world content when they started making mobs scale with your ilvl which made things more annoying.
I mean it’s not like casual players have no way to get the gear, it’s just that the way they usually get the gear (buying boes/carries) supports the elite players. So of course the elite players are going to shut them down whenever they want a fun and rewarding gearing experience from their own content.
the question then is, why do they expect a fluid solo max level progression experience. the game is an mmo. it’s like going to a buffet and complaining that the employees won’t bring the food to you.
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Is it a totally different discussion though? That is a bunch of self-proclaimed casuals complaining that the gear they get from world content isn’t good enough. This is a thread “asking” why casuals want high level gear.
To me this only means, This game can be played with other players, It’s an open world where you will meet other players on their way.
It doesn’t mean, you must group if you want anything done.
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Doesn’t really matter how fast they cleared heroic, because they had to do heroic split runs and m+ farm. The discussion was speed to clear mythic SoD vs getting rank 6 codex as proof that getting max world gear takes too long. In terms of comparing Ilvl from raid and world gear N Sylvanus is probably harder than anything in korthia. I’ve never dies in Kortha from anything other than throwing myself off the edge of the world. I have died in Normal mode because other people screwed up mechanics though. All in all I’d say world content is slightly easier than clearing normal, and both progress your character similarly. You miss out on domination shards not raiding but you miss out on conduit upgrades and sockets not doing Korthia.
For the record, I do agree about removing ilvl scaling from the open world. I’m a bit cynical about blizz’s game design these days. I think some things they do are at least in part motivated to sell tokens, keep subs rolling, and increase metrics. Making world mobs scale off Ilvl, I think was added back in legion because they thought it would boost engagement metrics.
But it is comparable… 233 for crying out loud, that’s 6 ilvl short of HEROIC RAID…
Makes some sense. If you close the gap in gear disparity, then carries become a LOT less lucrative. Offer alternative methods of progression, then carries become a LOT less appealing.
EVERYTHING you said is just wrong. Not a single person in either thread has asked for the “best” gear, or even close to it. Just another hater i see.
Try again.
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No domination gear. And it looks like they’re making world gear worse in 9.2
Can’t you get dom gear in LFR which is casual as can be?
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They are making in worse relative to raid difficulty. It will be the same as normal instead of heroic, basically. They are also adding in a sort of world buff progression system somewhat similar to the codex for Torghast. It is tough to say exactly how strong that will be but basically world content people are losing some power on gear and gaining some, possibly a lot somewhere else. Not really an overall nerf, just an Ilvl nerf.
To you. a glance at how the game is designed will let you know otherwise.
hell, in legion if you wanted to be able to use all your artifact relics you HAD to do dungeons.
Good. Not like you needed heroic raid ilvl for doing easy world content.
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I tend to agree. I’m not really sure what all these people are dying to in korthia on their 233 world gear toons…haven’t had issues on my 219 or so pally.
It’ll be fun to see the masks come off on the people that “just wanted gear for world content” and be revealed as people that just want an excellent shortcut to the progession system of the game if this is the case.
Korthia gear is fine, i actually love it and it is a nice return for the time investment. BUT, ZM gear is going to be what, 226-246? Not acceptable. I would like the same ilvl increase for the ZM gear, as i have gotten for Korthia. A grind is a grind, is a grind!
So no, going from my 233 gear to 246 is crap, and we should have at the least gotten 252 gear for the grind.
Raise the ilvl of all the other gear to compensate the specials that participate in grouped content, and there would be ZERO problems, the 3 pillar players can still feel special without dumping on solo/casual players!
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Yes, which is shown by the fact that Mythic didn’t release with the patch but Korthia did and even ‘world 1st’ Korthia t6 took longer than mythic raid to get to. :3
Depends by what you mean by ‘harder’. If you were able to say solo N Sylvanas if you had the ‘gear’ I don’t think mechanically it’d be particularly hard.
Yeah, that’s what happens with group content. Someone else messes up, the whole group can get punished for it.
Someone that has 233 ilvl raid gear will still, be stronger than someone that has 233 ilvl korthia gear. Doubly so for say, hunter.
Yes, if I recall around when Broken Shore released. People were finding they were stronger in world content taking off a ring rather than being in full gear.
Another thing I’ll point at - you never hit T6 Korthia, and never got exalted with Death’s Advance but did clear the raid. Further, you can’t be ‘carried’ to exalted with say Death’s Advance, or to T6 archive stuff. I don’t see anyone selling boosts for that~
But you can in raids, M+, etc.
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They are looking to be carried