Because there’s nothing wrong with the map in this iteration of AV. It’s strictly a player issue.
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Nah the map has major issues. They can be mitigated by horde not abusing the map but I guess we’re going to see how high horde want their queue times to get.
Nah, the map doesn’t have major issues. Literally doesn’t. You can’t expect Blizzard to fix something that we’ve created.
We literally play like idiots.
But, I guess rather than fix the problem it’s easier to blame others? I’m not really sure why this false narrative is being parroted everywhere.
We can fix AV by: NOT THINKING WE NEED TO CAP IBGY. HOLY CRAP IT DOESNT MATTER THERE.
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I’m not disagreeing, the horde are playing like idiots and their queue times reflect that. We’ll how long it takes them to figure it out.
So the horde should not play to win? That makes no sense. We’re the ones playing like idiots.
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The map gives horde some major advantages which is why they can get a near 100% win rate. Whether they choose to abuse that is entirely on horde.
Alliance are smart enough not to queue into a near certain loss.
But that’s the thing - they don’t have a major map advantage. What even is this nonsense?
Our stupidity and stopping at IBGY isn’t a map advantage. That’s a player advantage due to us being dumb.
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Well actually horde do have a major map advantage in the difference between SHGY vs IBGY and surrounding areas.
If you don’t understand what it is that is a you problem not an alliance problem.
Sorry but alliance do just fine in WSG/AB the mirrored maps, so claiming that alliance are just stupid is incorrect.
I guess what you’re not understanding is that Alliance are trying to cap IBGY which is 100% not necessary, so they’re making their own unneeded choke point.
If you don’t understand that, that is a you problem and still an alliance problem.
We’re playing the BG wrong for this patch. Also, lol at doing just fine in WSG/AB. Def about a 30% win ratio as a pug. It’s not easy. We’re just bad.
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What you’re not understanding is bypassing IBGY only works if horde allow alliance to do so.
You just run by. That’s literally it. Horde don’t have to allow anything. Literally run right by.
I run right by it every single time, rarely do I die. The rest of the faction stops and tries to galv/cap GY.
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And guess what you run by it then what? If horde are playing D you will slowly get picked off and guess what spawn north.
Running by only works if horde are not playing D.
Oh, I get it, what you’re really trying to say is:
I don’t want to actually PVP and do the objectives in a way that makes sense. I just want mean old zugs to step aside and let us do what we want.
Why didn’t you just say that? Could have saved us both time. AV is fine (sort of GIVE US 1.5). L2Play.
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It’s not a question of L2P. Alliance do fine in WSG and AB the mirrored maps so saying it’s just that alliance suck is simply incorrect.
Apparently the horde have a magic trinket that allows them to instantly be wherever they wish to be at any given time. That explains that while horde are playing “sCoRcHeD eArTh”, the can simultaneously be at IB, as well as SF, and FW.
“And then what?”
Holy hell dude.
Zyrius was one of a handful that argued that 1.12 was the best vanilla AV version, and advised those who want PVP to force it by defending, to stop it from being a race. Now he is looking for sympathy because of what an unmitigated disaster 1.12 is. He also was a fan of the wall of no, so pretty sure he just visits the classic forum to push buttons.
Depends on definition of “fine”. 20-30% win ratio? Is that fine? Or 50%?
Which is fine? Cause in Pug v Pug, we lose far more than we win.
the IBGY choke is the strongest map advantage in the game
come off it you clown
If they are actually defended, the alliance bridge/base are the strongest advantage in the BG. IB is only as strong as the defenders that are there, and if the horde forces are all rushing to SH and beyond, they are not defending IB.
Oh wait, I forgot the horde ability to be everyplace at the same time.
Silly me.
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Any of those numbers is far better than the win rate in AV.
That’s funny, alliance said horde could premade too, but now its just alliance that lost the ability to premade? So what you’re saying is that alliance were lying back then to protect an advantage?