Feel free to check other threads where people provide in-depth, rational analysis on why that metric is flawed.
The biggest point is that the metric counts active subs, not people logging in.
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Except it doesn’t.
The monthly active user metric actually requires people to log in to be counted. If you don’t log in for a month, you’re not counted for that month. That’s why MAUs for other Blizzard products have fallen because folks aren’t logging on to those games.
That’s literally how MAU’s have always worked. Blizzard stopped counting active subs a long time ago, because that number is inaccurate (because it doesn’t tell Blizzard if people are logging on or not) when it comes to reporting to investors.
Good to know. We can use this against Acti. Maybe strongarm them into coughing up the backing needed to upgrade the systems of the game to allow player housing.
No need to beat it around the bush, you can say Heroes of the Storm and no one here will care.
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3 million people logging in per month seems egregiously terrible when you combine new expansion and global pandemic.
Keep insisting the glass is full when there is a drop left though! 
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Same. At this point me and my community are waiting to give New World a shot. Hopefully Ashes of Creation isn’t too far behind.
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You can stop using the 3 million number as no one knows how many people are actively subbed to this game except for Blizzard.
Also you can’t claim the ‘pandemic is the reason why all these people are still playing’ because, and this is true, there are other games out there. A terrible game will not keep players playing it if there are other games out there that are better. Otherwise all the WoW clones that have come and gone would still have millions of subscribers as well.
You misunderstand. I think the numbers should have been higher due to pandemic.
Or that the general consensus is leading to the same point? People are not happy. Even people who enjoy the game have small things to gripe about. Are they jumping on the bandwagon because they just dislike 1 thing or a few?
Hell I dislike the current state but there are things I do like:
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For instance pvp (besides ret, sub and fire) being fast pace. Pvp vendors.
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Graphically the game has always been sound for the engine it is on.
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The overall fluidity of the game is better than any current available mmo.
Other than that SL is butt.
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All four of these things are done poorly and wouldn’t want one over the other in any way.
And you misunderstand a core concept of the gaming community.
Gamers will not continue to play a terrible game that costs them money/time to play when other games exist. This has been proven time and time again over many years, and even in recent years during the pandemic. Marvel Avengers launched during the pandemic, and yet what playerbase it had completely evaporated because the game is bad.
If Shadowlands was bad, people would be quitting in large numbers (as they did in WoD) and Blizzard would be forced to reveal that during their earnings call. Instead they’re showing incredibly healthy growth, meaning that, even if its not brilliant, the game is decent enough to keep players engaged. Will it stay that way? Impossible to say. Maybe 9.1 will cause Shadowlands to crap the bed, maybe it won’t and it will do the opposite and bring even more people back to the game. It’s very much a wait and see moment.
Oh how wrong you are. I think you underestimate how deep gamers’ addictions run, or the stagnant attachment introvert/gamer types have to hobbies. Even if the hobby is terrible, lifelong gamers will slavishly stick to them. I know such people in real life.
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its players are never going to be happy until they make retail roll back to vanilla
I’m waiting for AoC too, gorgeous game also looking forward to more info on the new Lord of the Rings mmo.
New World doesn’t tickle my fancy with no other playable races other then human.
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I’ve been gaming in the MMO space for over 20 years. I know these things better than most. MMOs rise and fall based on the content they have at launch and how they develop that content moving forward. Bad MMOs or bad expansions kill their playerbase and while there will always be a chunk of people who will continue to play despite that, that number is rarely, if ever, big enough to keep an MMO sustainable, especially on a subscription model.
Star Wars the Old Republic, Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning, RIFT, Wildstar, City of Heroes, Lineage II, Tabula Rasa, TERA and Archage.
I could go on and on here listing MMOs that started with requiring subscriptions, but swiftly saw their playerbase collapse because the content they had was bad. Now those MMOs are either F2P with tiny playerbases, or they’ve been shut down and only exist in private servers.
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I’ve got my ears open for that too. Thought about making an all dwarf guild and then naming it < Toss meh >
Yeah it’s something different. That doesn’t bother me too much but I love seeing a wide range of races to play.
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This one thinks that if the xpac doesn’t have EXACTLY what they want, then it’s garbage. I’m so glad that you don’t run this game, because it probably would be garbage.
I think it’s win win, even if these new mmos coming fail, hopefully it reignites the spark that blizzard once had.
My problem with blizzard is they gotten to comfortable, it takes months just to give a class 3% aura buff or any type of slight change which is blatantly obvious, they just need a kick in the back side and wake up 
If the new mmos are great, then we win and find something better to move too.
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Shadowlands definitely has feels a bit off in some aspects. Anima being this catch all currency for things despite the game having more than a half dozen new currencies added feels bad.
But I don’t think it would be reasonable to expect a company that’s been making games for 3 decades to not evolve and change, even if we don’t all like the direction it’s going.
I still feel like WoW has the best feel out of any MMO I’ve played. Although to be fair the newest I played was either FF14 pre-shutdown/relaunch or ESO.
Also, heaping it all onto Activision is a cop-out. They were owned by Vivendi before, and they’ve been with activision for 12 or 13 years now. Blizzard makes their own mistakes, I doubt some Activision exec is micro-managing things.
Legion had tons of issues early on, it wasn’t until 7.3 most were resolved.
Many expansions launch with problems that get cleaned up later on.
MoP rep gating, resolved in a later patch.
Legiondary acquisition, resolved in 7.3.
BFA azerite gear RNG and titanforging, resolved in later patches(sort of).
WoD was probably the only expansion they just kinda quit halfway through.
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Isn’t one of the complaints people have joked about with Shadowlands is that they did too much?
I am so confused.
No he did not say this.
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Oh wow. Thanks for the memories there. Yeah these forums were on fire during Legion. Especially in 7.2. I still remember reading about how much people hated the Broken Shore.