Will you say the same for wrath classic right now?
No RDF in the past three years had not changed or undone this.
You can get these types of people in LFG aswell.
There is literally no communication in Wrath classic because Wrath dungeons are just so easy,
You mean the teleport, luck of the draw buffz bonus emblems, ability to bypass lockout limits, exc?
If rdf was only an auto grouping tool it would be optional, all the other bonuses make it essentially mandatory.
I would support an auto group tool if it didnt have all the other bo uses attached to it.
I understand it just fine. Its very convenient. To the point it isn’t really optional. It also has negative effects on many aspects of the game. It devalues the world and the social connections made there in. It makes the game feel less like an old school mmorpg and more like the modern lobby based mmorpg. Which defeats the entire point of a classic release of an older game, if it feels to much like the modern version.
Some people like the design that rdf is. Some dont. But if it is added as it was in 3.3, its not optional. It has to much bonus rewards and benifits tied to it. Liking rdf isnt wrong, just like disliking it isnt wrong. Its a preference based on opinion. But very few games have the design of no rdf type of system these days. So do you think its more fair to take away one of the few options for those who dont like rdf, or for those who do like it to acceot that its not in the game and either keep playing or find a different game that better fits what they enjoy, especially considering most of todays games have that rdf type of system in it?
As for dungeons vs bgs. Bgs have always been a side game in wow. Designed to draw a different crowd to it than what pve is designed for.
You’re living in a fallacy if you’re grasping at what wow used to be. We have moved past that point and are at a critical point where the game goes downhill or stabilizes. Social aspects are there if you want them. I like your previous comment where you say, “I would support an auto group tool if it didnt have all the other bo uses attached to it.” Which is all that I want. You said it yourself, it would be optional at that point. It would benefit me more than you and that’s the intention of a grouping tool.
Your posts are so delusional that I have serious doubts if you even live in this plain of reality. Literally noone is even talking about raid finder, and you keep copy pasting this vomit into every thread.
Idk, ive gotten it to feel about the same as it was (minus the massive increase in addons and player knowledge). But i put a lot of effort into it and finding the right people who also want that experience again.
But i know a lot of people dont put the effort in that i did to make the social connections i do have. It wasnt exactly fast to make all the social connections i have now.
Did you avoid answering the questions I asked for a particular reason?
Nothing that troll says has anything to do with group forming. They can still manually form their group however they want.
I suppose luck of the draw is the exception. Oh no, a 5% buff?!?! LOL. And they still get that if just 1 person is randomly added.
Number 2 would happen because it gives to many bonuses to not be used. It essentially forces you to use it, even if you fully formed your own group you end up having to use it because of all of those bonuses.
I freely admit my understanding of the term may be incomplete. I read different sources for insight but most seemed to follow the definition as given by Google: “manipulate (someone) using psychological methods into questioning their own sanity or powers of reasoning.”
When the poster said:
I interpreted that as gaslighting based on the fact that I played OG Wrath, I used the dungeon finder many times, I was there in the moment and know that statement is patently false. He seems to be trying to manipulate the narrative towards a purposefully incorrect version of events.
But again, I concede I may not be using the term appropriately.
So you feel forced to use this system because it gives you a temporary buff for the dungeon and extra emblems/gold and those things ruin your experience? Can you explain a bit why those things negatively impact your experience?
By the way, I am genuinely interested in getting an understanding of what things ruin a player’s experience and I appreciate you taking the time to have a conversation about it. I apologize for my earlier response being so short and sounding a bit more harsh than I intended it.
I played origional wotlk as well.
People had different experiences. I liked rdf originally, but as time went on i noticed a social behavior decay from it. I dont think rdf immediately killed the social aspects of dungeons. It was a slow posion.
What you are saying is not what the poster said that I took issue with.
Just to clarify…emblems and gold have absolutely nothing to do with forming a group with RDF. They’re queueing rewards. People can still form their group however they want. It’s 100% optional.
If people use rdf, that means they dont need to try to form a group ir get a group. This means there is less (to none) trying to form groups when they need to pug and just use rdf.
It changes player behavior in a way that is far less social and makes it exponentially harder to make social connections because the game no longer encourages you to make those connections with rdf in the game for doing dungeons.
RDF encourages you to make social connections so you can premake groups with a tank and healer and get instant queues instead of queuing solo. It also allows you to make groups with players at your skill level. Far more social connections would be made from the increased number of dungeon groups being run with RDF compared to the absolute dismal state of dungeon running now. You’d also have significantly higher numbers of leveling players finding other like-minded players to level with and queue dungeons while questing.
Bogus bogus bogus, everything you say is bogus and the developers and all the anti-LFD players have definitely recognized the error in their original thought process at this point. Now, the question is whether Blizzard acts upon their failure and introduces RDF or not.
RDF increases social interaction once you get beyond your basic, surface level arguments against it.
The lack of rdf encourages making social connections. With rdf you dont have to make a social connection because you wait in line and get a group. You dont feel like you need to make social connections because you are basically garenteed a group with rdf. You are not garenteed a group without rdf, which encourages the forming of social connections.
How valuable are the social connections you make with people through manually putting together dungeons in world or warcraft to you? Do social interactions in the game make up a large portion of your social life? Why is the social experience in regards to dungeon groups such an important factor to you?
You’re just trolling at this point. Social interactions vary and people change. Having friends doesn’t guarantee that you have a full group of 5 every single time you need one whether that’s pre 80 or for heroics. I’m a bitter person diagnosed with BPD, why should I suffer because retail andy here has 4 other buddies and blizzard just fails to implement a system that was in the game originally. I’d prefer if I could honestly turn off my ability to chat sometimes because I usually have nothing good to say whatsoever when the group is dog s***. But lets base everything around you, redhead because you’re the poster-child and apparently never had an issue forming a group ever and can only quote social interactions.
I agree with Delimicus. For once.