Yeah, but only because you’re streamlining the game and removing the basic and only requirement to having a party for a dungeon, talking to other players in a MMORPG.
Probably so
You aren’t required to talk now inside dungeons.
That’s all opinion and speculation on having rdf and it would some how magically stop people from talking.
Talking is up to the players, not the tool to get the players into a group.
At the end of the day RDF will repopulate dungeons at all levels, that really isn’t up for debate.
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Yup. Again, a clear lesson from Classic (particularly TBCC and Wrath) is that you can’t force players to socialize. And making the process of forming a group tedious and over-complicated is just bad design. Players don’t become more social; they become more frustrated.
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RDF is absolutely terrible and was one of the problems that ruined the experience of WoW at least for me. Don’t get me wrong, on paper the idea is fantastic. Easy queues for dungeons, less work for the player, and a seamless experience. In reality however this is not the case.
The dungeon finder removed all social aspects from dungeons. There were no communications between people, nobody cared to help others through; if you were bad you were kicked without second thought, especially if you were dps. It feels absolutely terrible for the person trying to improve and other times it feels terrible for the group because it encourages botting and people playing like trash knowing if they get kicked they can just requeue. The amount of times in retail I was paired with others that never cared made the dungeon ironically harder and less enjoyable.
LFD made dungeons into a job, and not for enjoyment like it honestly is now. Yeah you have to put work into finding groups but guess what? That is how it was at the start, and it is far more improved now that it was before. Getting into a dungeon now feels rewarding, there is real communication between others finally unlike in Retail, and because of the very, very slight difficulty in getting into a group, people are more likely to care, and it is rare I find bots in dungeons now, and if there are bots and I never realized it, it is because the rest of the group put in the effort for a smooth run. Now onto the raid finder.
Raid finder set a scale of difficulty so low that it discouraged others from doing actual raids due to the jump in complexity, and once people have done the normal difficulty raids, going to the RDF seems slow and boring. Completing the raid removed that special feeling I used to have that I definitely have now. Killing Kel’Thuzad as a tank or dps, or healing the raid through a real raid I had to truly participate in to complete felt rewarding, and I believed I deserved that victory, and still feel that way every single time. Naxx 10 or even Naxx 25 is not hard, but it’s at least challenging enough to make me feel victorious. LFR is a joke and makes the entirety of WoW feel bland in comparison.
I hope Blizzard never brings back raid finder because if they do then one of two outcomes will come along. The first is either the raid will feel so easy because they have to scale it down to the level it is in retail, or they keep the raids difficult and enjoyable, but near impossible to finish with the amount of people that join and do not care about performing adequately. And yes so much emotion was put into this because of how strongly I dislike RDF. WotLK IS WotLK now and is more WoW than Retail can aspire to ever be again.
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Not what you just said earlier but okay, you’re trolling.
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Absolutely murdered lmao
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I’m older and get to the new lingo later than most of you guys. I recently been learning about the term ‘gaslighting’…I seen it alot on the forums, never understood it but up until now made no effort to learning what it meant. Even after reading about its meaning I was a little unsure but now after seeing it in use relative to a scenario I know well, I understand it fully. So thanks dude for the unintended education you gave me. I’m a better forum-goer for your efforts!
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Having an opinion that is different than yours isnt gaslighting. If they were trying to shame of guilt you (attack your emotions to make you unsure of your viewpoint) into changing your opinion that would be gaslighting.
Kind of like the “think of the children” argument the pro rdf people use to say its good for the game because it will help those unable to get groups. When there is already other solutions to that problem that dont require changing the game itself.
Learn all kinds of new things from the trolls here, right?
What that troll said has literally been completely and utterly disproven by Classic. We can see that RDF was not the cause of the removal of the social aspects of WoW. That happened just fine without it. In fact, RDF would actually get players grouped up and meeting far, far more other players. But since those other players may be on other servers…apparently there’s no value in that. A social interaction only exists if it forges a lifelong friendship, according to them. Which doesn’t happen without RDF either.
So it’s just the typical forum nonsense.
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I’ve had a very social experience since classic launched. I guess its just how you approach the game. Mind you i have put a lot of effort into making it a social experience.
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RDF is the equivalent of Tinder/Bumble. Yes most interactions suck and most times people dont bother talking to you. However we can all admit that it increases your chances of meeting someone far more than without it and there are a plethora of people who have happily met and connected deeply with people because of it!
Literally about to give up on this. I would have already but unfortunately every single game lately is a cash grab and run because they know were hungry for content. Can’t find groups, have to weed through the dk bots and absolute dog players. Can’t que pvp because my server has none and yet we que against other realms? This alone makes zero FU****** sense. No RDF. No development made whatsoever. You level from 1-80 one time and watch npcs do stuff they shouldn’t be doing like in the inn for howling forde alliance side. The guy sitting in the chair is non-stop drinking from an invisible mug. Never stops. Mobs in the open world constantly stuck underground or clipping through when they path. The lack of care is blatant at this point. RIP to this game and it’s original developers. I understand why they left.
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Excuse me? The social interactions I have when I have to find 4 others is absolute garbage. Oh look one healer qued in the last 30 minutes, I guess he’s the one. At least RDF would have gear requirements.
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And you think rdf will keep you from dealing with bots and “dog players”?
Those are the people who want rdf the most. There is a reason the bots are leveling through BGs.
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I’d rather find groups than not at all buddy. Your server is most likely better than mine which is westfall. Transferred off Grob and honestly that server was better because of the population and that was with 200ms.
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I was on smolderweb origionally. I still found groups regularly. Then again i spent all of classic vanilla going out of my way to make social connections.
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Hard to make social connections on Grob when every group has a non-english speaking Indonesian in it. On Westfall the players seem newer because they just don’t press the buttons for their classes. So many dk bots your head would spin. I’m sure Grob is way worse with the massive gold-selling they allow from said Indonesians. My main guild left for Dragonflight and hasn’t raided for over a month. Before the majority quit, we were working on 2 25 man raid teams. Really sad experience overall and if I had any other game to go to, I’d be there. I’ve almost got every class to 80 just to bench them. 0-10 would not do again.
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Let’s say hypothetically that the dungeon finder is introduced to Wrath classic. There are two possibilities:
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The majority of players don’t use it and most continue forming groups using the LFG tool and whispering.
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The majority of players do use it because the majority of players think the benefits outweigh the negatives.
Which do you think will happen? If you think option 1 will happen, why are you worried about your social experience being diminished? If you think option 2 will happen, why do you feel the minority opinion should have more weight than the majority opinion over an optional system?
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My server needs it. Do you understand the feeling of being able to que for something and continue doing whatever you wish and then joining said group to be teleported back to where you were when you joined? It is unobtrusive and does not ruin any part of the game, because like you said they are still able to stumble through LFG piecing together nobodies that you will not see again or you stay together and grind together.
If you can do it with bgs this way since tbc, wrath is nothing but a more modern version of the game that they call classic but isn’t. Classic wotlk had more than what we have now so this is like midieval wrath without a developer who cares.
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