So can we finally admit that not having RDF killed Wrath Classic?

You’re talking to a guy who does 25 quests to level and meets 25 new best friends.

Only in his groups do people not invite you for a quest and drop group, they do the quests then invite him over dinner after the quest.

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“yo man, sweet 25 main hogger raid, wanna come over for dinner? We’re such good friends!”

I’m never upset when people snap invite me for a group quest, help me kill, say “GG thanks!” and dip out. That’s still positive social interaction to me.

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That’s not the issue to me the issue is him openly lying and acting like that’s not how the normal interaction goes…

How is it true for every other player but not him?

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I don’t really know, I’m just here to make quips and shoot my shot.

He could easily just say
“I don’t want it because I don’t like it”
and have that be perfectly respectable, instead he keeps creating fringe and extreme situations to support his dislike.

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For some people, the whole point of wow classic is to have an old school mmorpg without all the modern features.

They have apparently found the nirvana of servers where everyone is best friends, everyone knows each other personally, and they meet each week in discord to chat about their social lives. And when new people join the server, they have a welcome party.

People seem to think because someone plays a video game for fun, that makes them bad. Most players just didn’t min/max like they do today. Priorities were different. Their goals were different.

It’s easy to say ‘they were bad.’ It’s more that they didn’t take a game so seriously. Having fun was more important than playing perfectly and ideally.

Some people (in this very thread) use that as a justification against something like RDF. Saying it promotes that kind of efficiency playstyle. But they’re missing the point. Accessibility doesn’t dictate how one experiences the content. In fact, the more accessible the more players can actually focus on things like…fun. Instead of the tedious and frustrating process of spamming the lfg channel or begging for a group you just get to the actual content easier.

Therefore it becomes about playing the game as you want. For a casual it’s much more relaxed, chill, less stressful. The things a simple game should be. Particularly dungeons…which were never cutting edge content that yielded the best rewards.

The moment getting to such content becomes a bigger struggle than doing the content, the whole paradigm shifts. It forces the min/max efficiency mindset. The experience of doing the dungeon takes a backseat. It feels like a job instead of a game.

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RDF was in Wrath. Like it or not. Are you asking for flying to be removed? Just because something still exists in Retail WoW (and I could list a million examples) doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be in the expansion in which it was added.

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I didn’t say we chase an authentic wrath. I said we chase an old school more classic mmorpg without all the modern features of modern mmos.

Strawman once more.

Ive been intentionally making social connections since classic came out? I go out of my way to make those social connections? I regularly do content i dont need any more to help people? Exc.

Its just how i play. You play differently and thats fine, but it has pros and cons for that. Pro, you spend less time doing things you dont need. Con you dont have as many social connections.

I think you just learned that word today.

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Strawman alert!

I make social connections with maybe 5-10% of the people i try to make social connections with. I have been doing this for about 3 years in classic. It takes effort. It takes time. It takes me going out of my way for things i dont need to do. But the plus side? I have no issues finding groups.

No, i am just done with all the nonsence and i am just going to call them out now because i am tired of people intentionally misrepresenting what i have said.

You have no clue what that word means.

It’s sarcasm, not strawman.

Give him a break he just learned it today he’s still trying to figure out how to properly use it

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Classic Era exists. People seem to forget that.

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Yep, that is why I corrected him. If we want him to learn its meaning, we need to make sure we tell him when he is wrong.

an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent’s real argument.

Your misrepresenting what i said. Sarcasm or not its an intentional misreprentation of what i have said to make it easier to dismiss what i supposedly said by what you are saying i said, which isnt what i said.

I bet you $5 he comes back with a link to a definition or something similar to that…

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