So can we finally admit that not having RDF killed Wrath Classic?

Then why are you walking around the forums screaming in everyone’s face that it “works” when you haven’t even tried it yourself?

Maybe you should go and test your theory first before you tell people how well it works.

Some of your quote regarding guilds:

“Then make the leveling guild for them. Dont wait for someone else to fix the issue, be the change you want to see. You want leveling to be better on your server make a leveling guild and get people to join.”

“You dont have to dl a 3rd party app. You can make a leveling guild or join one and communicate there, on lfg, local and world channels, exc. Its an option to use discord”

“You can post in server discords, make a guild specifically for leveling alts and make events for there. Pepple have alts even at max level. Commutation is part of what makes a community.”

“or make a leveling guild, make connections to multiple guilds.”

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I have been in a leveling guild throughout my time playing wow. Even in origional classic i was in a leveking guild at one point. Just because i didnt MAKE the guild doesnt mean i was never in one. I didnt stay in it after reaching max level, but i did make friends from it.

You keep telling people to make a leveling guild because it works, yet you’ve never made one. How do you know it works, then?

You don’t because what you’re providing is anecdotal evidence.

Stop commenting on things you can’t possibly know about since you’ve never actually done it.

Anecdotal evidence: is usually based on individual experiences or observations , as distinct from probabilistic evidence that gives estimates of how likely something is to occur based on experience with large numbers of people.

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Discord is optional for leveling. It just makes it easier because you can preplan things, communicate without being on your computer (phone app) exc. Its a useful tool you dont have to use but it is still a useful tool. Just like you can raid without dbm. But dbm is a useful tool and i would recommend using it.

What i have said doesnt contradict itself, me pointing out options and saying those options are optional isnt s contradiction.

The problem is you are telling people what to do but you’ve never actually tested said options yourself so you don’t know it works and again, 100% anecdotal.

Take your own advice and go make yourself a leveling guild. Report back to us with your findings and maybe we’ll actually believe what you say when you have proof.

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You do know you can get the experience of being in a leveling guild without, you know, making the guild? I was part of a leveling guild for a time. Made social connections while in it. I dont have to make the guild to experience it. Someone else made it, i joined. I experience the making of social connections from that leveling guild.

Since you seem to be having a hard time understanding, i will say it again.
You do not (still with me?) Need to make (here is the important part) the leveling guild (did you catch that?) To experience being in a leveling guild. You can join a guild someone else made.

So then why do you keep telling people to make their own leveling guild?

Now your story is changing to “JOIN a leveling guild”

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Tell me, do i need to make a car to experience driving it, or can i get a car that someone else made to experience driving a car?

I did not persobally make a leveling guild. I was in a leveking guild and experienced its effects on making social connections, doing dungeons, exc. I didnt make it, but i did experience it.

You’re basically telling people test drive this car because it’s so amazing but you’ve never actually drove the car yourself.

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The story hasnt changed. The make your own leveling guild was because people have been complaining that there was noone to level with and new players cant enjoy the leveling experience because of this and no the new players cant afford to make the guild to level and there is no leveling guilds, cry cry cry. They complain but refuse to take steps to fix their problems. So i gave them solutions that they themselves have the power to do. Which was communicate with their community to make a better leveking experience. Guilds got brought up and how there was no guilds for leveling, and i eventually mentioned that if they had no leveling guilds to join, they shoule make one. To stop demanding someone else fix their problem and do something about it themselves.

That would be a great solution if there were actually people playing. How are you supposed to find guildmates if there’s no players to join your guild?

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I didnt make the “car” i have driven it though.

So you’ve been guild leader of a leveling guild then?

If not, then no, you haven’t.

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There are, you just have to start making social connections with them. A great environment for that is a leveling guild, a discord community from your server, exc.

I have given options to “fix” the issue. If you chose to do none of them, then you just wanted to complain from the very start.

I recruited members for a leveling guild.

You dont have to own the car the drive it.

Ever hear of renting, leasing, or even borrowing a friends car?

LOL. Now you’re just talking in circles. I’m not going in this circle with you again.

Go make your leveling guild RIGHT NOW on your current server and report back in a week. Let us know how successful you are. After all, it should be easy for you since you’ve made all these social connections.

/done

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If you refuse to do anything to fix your problems, than you just want to complain. Got it.

Throughout this thread i have given solutions. If you refuse to use any of them, you have chosen the solo leveling experience. So enjoy that experience of complaining about it.

I’m convinced redhead is worse than Bloom at this point.

Much more common too.

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Because i have offered solutions to a problem they are having, but it requires some form of effort on their part?

Your solutions is like trying to solve poverty by telling poor people to stop being poor.

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