So can we finally admit that not having RDF killed Wrath Classic?

An oldie but a goodie

There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.

Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.

Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody’s job.

Everybody thought Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn’t do it.

It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have.

It legitimately IS optional, you’ll still have LFG tool to build your own groups, thatbwon’t change one bit and people are always looking for world tours. Not to mention, most people have suggested RDF specifically for 1-70 or 1-80 Normal dungeons for leveling only and then heroic takes over. They also plan on releasing heroic+, so they wouldn’t be included and would probably grant emblems. Even normal Heroics can only be done once a day, so I don’t know why you would think they would be included.

So yes, it would be 100% optional regardless of what they include.

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So still forced to use it, got it. Doesnt sound optional then.

All the extra bonus rewards tied to rdf that those who didnt use rdf wont get make it essentially mandatory to use.

Teleport, bonus emblems, luck of the draw buff, ability to bypass lockouts, exc. Remove all of that from rdf and it is optional. Until then its not really optional because its to efficent compared to the no rdf option.

It changed it to a lobby based grouping system instead of an open world mmorpg grouping system.

It changed it for you. Because you didn’t go out into the world while you waited for the dungeon queue to pop. I and everyone I knew went into the world more after rdf was added. That’s one of the reasons I want rdf. So I can go out into the world more easily since I didn’t have to spam lfg chat or stare at it to find a group. So the question I have is what is it about you that changed your behavior after rdf was added?

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Oh no, I get teleported to the dungeon instead of getting summoned!!! The humanity!!!

Look, we all know you’re just trolling but you need to do better than that.

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I was about to say lol

Just to counter your logic there, does that mean that doing 25 man raids is mandatory? You know, because it gives the best gear? You HAVE to do them, there’s no other way to get that gear, not even 10 man.

Second, I’m personally ok if all RDF does is warp me to the dungeon to kill stuff. Idc, the whole point of RDF is to give an additional, fast option to leveling alts. Anything else is something you yourself are making up based off retail which no one has advocated for or cares about and literally nothing they add will EVER make RDF mandatory. At this point I know you’re trolling, but at least try to hild the argument.

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He already admitted he doesn’t like to try in raids, I assume the same mentality exists here and he’s simply lazy. As usual he’s being a hypocrite and projecting that onto others even though it’s really only how he might approach RDF and is not representative of how most people use it.

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He’s used to being carried, and unfortunately for him there’s nobody here to carry his ridiculous trollish ways. They just all drag each other down.

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thats gonna be a yikes that you dont get the arguments and simply pass them off because a lack of understanding of context. its ok I dont blame you. :slight_smile: Your not here to have your mind changed so its ok.

If you are aiming to progress your character as much as possible? Yes it feels mandatory to try and get 25 man gear.

Im not making anything up baded on retail, i am talking about how rdf worked in 3.3. And even the teleport can make rdf feel mandatory just for time saved from traveling. And that teleport make world pvp even less likely to occur. Because you cant even fight at the summoning stone at that point.

I dont try hard in naxx, because heroic dungeons are harder than naxx 25.

That doesnt mean i am putting 0 effort in. I dont go full neckbeared for contant that is on hard farm and so easy we can do it with 2 healers, just so the healers feel like they have something to do. But hay, twist the truth as you see fit to meet your agenda if you like.

Being a hypocrite because im not using flame caps and speed pots on content that feels easier than a heroic dungeon (the raid is just longer)? Do you require haste pots and such for heroics? No? Then why require it for naxx when its essentially easier than a heroic dungeon?

I also do less dps because i dont just focus on damage. I used distracting shot and detterance any time it would keep someone alive and bring it to a tank. I misdirect regularly, frost trap when useful, exc globals used for utility costs dps and lowers parses. Durring KT i regularly MD the adds to the tanks and when that is done if something is still loose i distracting shot it and stand on the tank with detterance. I play for more than just damage, because i dont like to focus purely on dps. I chose hunter because it regularly gets the extra jobs in a raid.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Blizzard held back RDF for no other reason than specifically to spite this annoying guy.

Feeling mandatory is not being mandatory. You’re not being compelled to do something. You simply have an alternate path to leveling an alt. It’s the same as 25 man, you don’t NEED to do Naxx 25, but yes, if you want the highest tier gear you have to do it, sorry, that’s life. The best part of RDF? It doesn’t infringe on anything. In fact, it is less “mandatory” than Naxx because you can still achieve the result of max level through any of the other means currently available.

So again, it is not mandatory, it won’t be mandatory if it is added, it would just be popular.

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This is a video game, nothing is truely mandatory, but if it feels mandatory than the meta has it as mandatory.

Yeah, no. Legitimately not how it works lol. As you said, this is a game. Guess we should remove Naxx 25 since it feels mandatory, maybe we should also remove Emblems since they feel mandatory. Actually, I feel like it’s mandatory to quest, it’s also the meta to level atm. We should get that removed too.

As I said before, RDF isn’t mandatory and won’t be and feelings don’t change that. But I think I’ve fed the trolls enough.

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It feels mandatory thats the issue.

Remove all the bonuses and have it just cross realm grouping and it doesnt feel mandatory.

That’s nice, enjoy, 1000th.