So BFA is better than Dragonflight now?

[Tékota-zuljin (Tékota)]

@Brewa-hyjal

BfA is hands-down the worst expansion in the game’s history, because it decimated the raiding scene.

I would like more insight on this please.

[Eztraj-illidan]

Here is some math:

Gameplay is essentially timeless.
Perceived graphical quality is tied to the level of current quality of competing products, and the standards for graphical quality steadily rise over time.
WoW gameplay has not really changed in any significant way.
WoW graphics have not really changed in any significant way.
Subscription numbers have steadily declined since wtolk.

Therefore, it would be logical to assume that the main culprit is the graphical quality of the game.

[Aiturs-mankrik]

@Spagooter-hyjal

If corruption vendor was there at the start and bit on some dumb rotation its of been pretty good

They didn’t fix the Azerite armor issue until the last patch as well. They were very contempt on making people either gamble for BiS traits or wait 30 days for the best one (a single piece). Also the ramping cost to change the selected traits was probably one of the dumbest things they added to the game for no reason.

BFA had fun things like Visions and the Nzoth invasions but good lord the whole expansion felt like the devs were purposely trying to get people to quit.

[Eztraj-illidan]

only smelly nerds care about BiS, the vast majority of customers just want thrall to go pew pew, they don’t even have damage meters

according to wowhead only 34% of profiles have Dragonflight Keystone Explorer: Season Two (750 m+ rating)… and that is just wowhead profiles, people hardcore enough to have a wowhead profile

[Tékota-zuljin (Tékota)]

@Eztraj-illidan

The dirty secret of the gaming industry is that graphics sell.

The models in diablo 4 and baldur’s gate 3 look like absolute dog feces because of how hard they try to look modern and ultra realistic. Stylistic will always age better even if the interest in the style itself wanes.

[Eztraj-illidan]

@Tékota-zuljin

The models in diablo 4 and baldur’s gate 3 look like absolute dog feces because of how hard they try to look modern and ultra realistic.

I hate when I agree with people on these forums. I’ve been calling Diablo 4: adventures in photogrammetry… its like they took things too personal when a few wierdos on the internet called out the diablo 3 style as too cartoony and made diablo 4 look garbage.

Diablo 4 is the first major Blizzard title that I really don’t like the art direction of. Maybe it will grow on me, but right now it looks shallow and pedantic.

15 years ago the Diablo 4 graphics and art direction would be top tier, but they have literally degraded in many ways since Diablo 3 rather than improve like they are supposed to.

[Glacios-moon-guard]

@Sarama-firetree

Going through there on an alt and I forgot how fun the drustvar quests are. Ran into that creepy little girl one yesterday and it was perfect for Halloween!

I did drustvar again yesterday, because of the halloween. Also did the dungeon. Super creep and fun.

[Tékota-zuljin (Tékota)]

@Eztraj-illidan

I hate when I agree with people on these forums.

That’s because it shatters your perception that people might not be as stupid you already have pegged them as. But don’t worry, I was assuming the same of you as well.

[Eztraj-illidan]

Trust me I’m used to it. If I ever met Tom Brady in real life he would probably secretly hate my guts… but the dude did nothing but win super bowls for my area so its hard to hate him. Such is the duality of man.

[Legionisbest-mannoroth]

@Argorwal-ysera

The raid, corruptions, legendary cloak gating, etc. were all on blast, especially like you said by “top” players/influencers.

Yep I mean I have the receipts.

Corruption: Into the Shadowlands

Just one big video crying about not ´´earning`` damage, an opinion which was copied and spread widely amongst the small WoW community. Could find the same thing going through old tweets of top players.

@Dremin-stormrage

Not sure why everyone tries to act like folks are flip-floppiing

Because it is massive flip-flopping. There is this massive snobbish attitude in the WoW community regarding the game. For some reason a certain minority of the WoW playerbase refuses to acknowledge that just something as simple as gearing or grinding stuff can be fun. So when corruptions was out everyone had to clown on it, despite the fact that 4 years later pretty much every person admits it was fun (Preach included).

Its funny corruptions happened because Ion literally acknowledged gearing in WoW was super boring, and they were trying to fix that in BFA. Sadly after all the complaints about gearing to make it more ´´fair`` and ´´respectful of our time´´ lol, we are now stuck with this cold porridge gearing in WoW.

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Paeldryth-hyjal

I could see why people would be fond of the second half of BFA S4, but like Legion, they are forgetting how bad it was until they made several changes, like letting you buy powers rather than it being full RNG.

We had a long-time player quit in BfA over the RNG of corruption when the system first released.

Her parting words: “At least in Legion you couldn’t get the same bad legendary twice.”

[Vladamire-eonar]

@Akston-area-52

This is just your standard “dislike it when its current, like it years after” nostalgia.

To be fair, defending DF is “pretend its good cause its new” blinders.

To clarify, I havent played BFA or Shadowlands yet, been gone 12 years and doing all missed content. I did some DF thinking dragon flying could be used everywhere so did some content and cannot stand the story or starting zone so much I stopped and went back to the old expansions once I unlocked flying and snatched all the points needed to train it fully. So I cant speak on BFA but sure can say DF is not good enough to hold me.

So I will go by how many subscribers have quit since BFA, it had far more than DF has and DF has not made the numbers go back up as expansions for many other games do. WoW did not get a bump so something went terribly wrong and was clearly not fixed by DF.

[Tovi-moon-guard (Tovi)]

I enjoyed BfA more than DF and SL but I’m not going to say BfA is better than those two based on my personal preference.

[Fostracize-frostwolf]

BFA was better than both.

[Pinar-stormrage (Pinar)]

bfa was a good expansion overall. it had flaws yes but dang i had fun the entire time.

[Catahedral-saurfang]

I was ahead of the curve give me a damn community achievement! I was saying all of this before it was cool! Proof is here I did a review of the whole of BFA at the end of the expansion you can see the date:

BFA was an above average expansion

A lot of people like to class WoW expansion as either amazing or the worst and I think this is simplistic. Some expansions were amazing or just terrible while others were ok or average. Even the ‘terrible’ expansions such as WoD had some redeeming features that most people can acknowledge were great such as the questing. BFA I think is an above average expansion. Was it as good as Legion or Wotlk? No, but I think it wasn’t horrible or devoid of fun or content. In fact I think in BFA the good ou…

[Yuraa-benediction]

dragonflight is imo the most boring and worst xpac tied with wod. wod might be better though because i liked the class design more.

[Laurelion-wyrmrest-accord]

Nah nah, BFA is the worst. Sure SL is bad too, but not that bad like BFA.

SL have anima issue, and maybe legendaries/torghast. Depends on players’ opinions.

BFA have so many things to grind. Azerite/armor/traits, essences [all ranks], corruptions, islands expedition, and don’t get me started with the storyline. It’s a truly, awful expansion.

BFA is probably the only expansion with so many borrowed powers.

[Hellasha-alleria (Hellasha)]

@Eztraj-illidan

If Blizzard kept updating their engine there would probably still be wotlk sub numbers.

They do update the engine, with every expansion. That’s why the requirements for the game goes up with each expansion.

So long as your computer matched the bare minimum it can run wow.

[Eleusia-myzrael]

@Legionisbest-mannoroth

Yep looks like the majority of the playerbase enjoyed BFA S4 significantly more than Dragonflight as well.

BfA Season 4 was by far my favorite time to play WoW, so it wasn’t just top group content players that enjoyed it.

Meaningful solo progression and challenge has been going downhill ever since 8.3. SL’s Torghast could have been great but dropped the wrong rewards. DF doesn’t really have any features for solo players.

BfA class design wasn’t the best, but being able to customize your Azerite traits and essences, and eventually your corruptions, added a lot of player agency to your gameplay.