Well, not the sole reason. He legit hoped Sargeras was sincere in his altruism, and hungered for the sort of power, knowledge and opportunity that was on offer. He just seemed to have also rationalized that if Sargeras was indeed powerful enough to actually deliver what he promised, then he was also powerful enough to just force them if they refused, so accepting the deal was the only real option.
Kil’jaeden said it himself: he was always envious of Velen’s faith. Unlike his closest friend, he just didn’t have the capacity to hold onto hope through belief when every fact and variable he had told him there wasn’t any. He was a pragmatist to the core, and that’s what delivered him unto the Legion, while Velen’s faith saw him clear of its grasp when by all reasoned and calculable indications he should have been just as doomed.
8 Likes
Only thing that’d suck about Fel Orcs being a skin rather than an Allied Race is they probably wouldn’t get any horns/spines customisation
I mean probably not the Faceless
We never shouldve got manari eredar
red skin and fel eyes yes and let people RP and stuff but not the actual eredars just wandering around in canon
The actual canon on the man’ari penitents as expanded opon in the draenei heritage quest is actually quite restrictive. They’re more or less confined to operations with The Lightforged on Argus, under close supervision of the army of the light. Their presence on Azeroth for the draenei festival was a special expection and under army of the light escort. When prompted for their opinion on the penitents, their escorts remained highly skeptical.
The lore is so restricted that it sort of begs the question as to why they’re a player option at all.
3 Likes
I always found that odd. Even if he couldn’t see what it was, didn’t Kil’jaeden sense that Illidan was hiding something from him?
And “Illidan did it with tremendous willpower?” Illidan’s a magic addict, and strong willpower is not something addicts are known for, especially where their fix is concerned (which Kil’jaeden was offering to provide for Illidan in exchange for Illidan’s services).
To me, a lot of Illidan’s character development felt unearned. He didn’t develop it, it was just handed to him by the writers (including more whitewashing retcons than any WoW character except Sylvanas).
1 Like
To be fair Kil’Jaeden was a history of his “minions” hiding things from him. The Nathrezim with their true allegiance to Death, Ner’zhul hiding his intention to break the Scourge away from the Legion, and Illidan hiding his real plans.
Though it’s possible that he did sense something off with Illidan, which is why he turned his gaze to Kael’thas to begin with.
1 Like
The Nathrezim thing was a retcon made long after Legion and that Illidan novel, but you’re right about Ner’zhul.
That does make sense about Kael’thas, though.
1 Like
Rise of the Horde has the pre-corruption eredar sharing some form of racial Khala-like telepathic link on Argus, so his ability to outright read thoughts may have come from that and been specific to the other eredar.
Hence his ignorance of things like the specifics of Illidan’s and Ner’zhul’s betrayals (though as a matter of pragmatic realism he more generally expected that they meant to somehow turn on him eventually) and the true loyalties of the nathrezim.
2 Likes
we have outland in our timeline with a loads of orcs, magh’ar, half ogres and fel orcs, and then we go to another timeline to recruit the worst ones.
since outland is a mass of land floating in the space, theres no point in living there, the remaning population should build their future in azeroth, and the horde can welcome them, adding fel orc customization and more magh’ar customization, it not happened yet bc goat girls are hot and the actual devs dont even know tbc lore was a thing, so yea anything that is a ‘‘monster race’’ like orcs, they dont care
1 Like
The Draenei are the Eredar.
Draenei means the exiled ones. The Eredar that got corrupted by demonic powers (demonic Eredar).
And as they were accepted as they were (physically and biologically) into the alliance, I don’t think they will ever be “cured”.
I think blizzard should’ve restricted some skin colors of Draenei just like it happens with the Death Knight (you can’t pick some skin colors only available to death knights. Like Man’ari skin Draeneis shouldn’t be able to be priests/paladins/shamans, but that cat is already out of the bag.
With regards of Fel Orcs, I guess there are not many left to be recruited.
All the leaders are dead.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Fel_orc
We killed them here and there, back and forth. Killed Fel Orcs in Hellfire Peninsula, in Hellfire Citadel dungeons, in Shadowmoon Valley and the Dragonmaw in Netherwing Ledge.
Even those Dragonmaw, they came back to Azeroth and we killed them along with Overlord Mor’ghor and we killed them in Twilight Highlands during the Cataclysm Campaign.
So, Fel orcs are gone piratically.
What aren’t gone:
Mok’nathal and Dragonmaw (unfortunately we don’t have their skins as orcs yet).
We’ve a lot examples of who “is available” based on those that attended the Kosh’harg.
I think Tagar Spinebreaker is still alive. He can be found wandering Hellfire Peninsula and there is no quest to kill him.
Fenris Wolfbrother is also MIA, so he and his Thunderlord could always make a surprise return as Fel Orcs.
5 Likes
Yes, but demonic forces tend to be secretive on some degree & scale – So as long as he couldn’t find treachery, he kept him on a leash … For the time anyway.
Mind you as well, Kil’Jaeden also didn’t inform or share his nearby future plans with Illidan either; so in a sense I suppose you could argue they were playing each-other. 
Yes but it’s emphasised that it’s his one true motive & goal — Something he would go to achieve at great lengths 
Which is established several times throughout various sources.
At that point in time also, it’s no secret that Illidan had learned to control his magic addiction. Particularly assisted through the teachings of Rhonin, when he traveled back in time. 
I honestly love how Sargeras’ disguise was only done for Kil’jaeden. Archimonde would’ve joined no matter what. Velen will always be suspicious due to his power of foresight. Kil’jaeden however needed that little push to accept the bargain. The deceiver got deceived from the beginning.
3 Likes
There has to be some way for the Fel Orcs to return back to Orcish Kind again.
Mogu are a problem because they literally can’t fit in most buildings. Maybe give them a shrink feature?
Just like Dwarves are Alliance, but look a stone dwarf in Ogrimmar. Funny how things change.
The Earthen we meet aren’t alliance though and share little to no themes with the alliance outside conveniently looking like a dwarf
At least I don’t see the connection.
4 Likes
Right, and I don’t see a connection on Pandaren being on both sides and Thalassians who side both Alliance and Horde. Not to mention the Dracthyr. The Earthen are in effect Stone Dwarves while their origins are different they are still essentially dwarves. If a Earthen dwarf can walk around Ogrimmar unabated why can’t any race of any kind. Why have restrictions? I think the problem with giving both factions access to a core Alliance race like the dwarves it muddies the water for faction restrictions. Void Elves already did that with their presence in the Alliance, this only solidifies the trend that began with the Pandaren.
The horde isn’t getting dwarves though. They’re getting a group unaffiliated with any faction or group. These earthen aren’t the same as the ones from Northrend who allied with the alliance.
You aren’t loosing anything in this.
2 Likes