Arthas in his own twisted way also wanted to make Azeroth a better place by uniting everyone in undeath, so we would be done with the infighting and everyone would be part of a unified undead army against other threats.
Just pointing that out.
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At least the Scarlet Crusade was an effective force during Glineas and Heritage quests. Typically we just destroy them before they’re a threat. 
…which is why i’m really eager to see the Amani tribe redeem themselves. Zul’jin was done dirty. 
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I mean, they get steamrolled in both scenarios. Hardly what I would classify as an effective threat. They were a joke at best. At worse? It’s just sad
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Speak for yourselves, i always hyped to kill them
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You called people that wanted one for Arthas “dude bros” then simp this hard for sly. Come on man
God, Shadowlands writing really was something.
I didn’t like what they did to her, but all things considered at least the punishment for burning Theldrassil was… Suitable enoug all things considered imo. She might have been working on the premise of making the universe better, but to not see all the glaring signs of what was going on around her was a hard pill to swallow. I’m glad she’s on the backburner for when she’s inevitably needed later in the fight against the void, but the whole circus to get to that point was torture to go through. Quite literally.
I have to evoke Gandalf here. “Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.”
Arthas blinded himself with vengeance and before he could realise how much he effed up, it was already too late. His story isn’t one I cast moral judgement upon because I’m not sure what I’d have done in his place. I’m not justifying it, just saying it was much more complicated than that.
Back to main topic, I think the SC turned into this type of roach faction. Doesn’t matter how much you stomp it, it just comes back to life. Oh well, far from me to complain about razing down a settlement of fundamentalists.
iirc the Scarlets are in Gilneas because of what happened in the Forsaken Heritage armor. The Inquisitor you kill in the reclaim Gilneas storyline is the same one that goes through a portal during the forsaken heritage chain. It is during the quest where you have to fill up the bar to 100%. I believe it can be missed if you do not go near that area.
At a portal, Crusader Alrick and Inquisitor Fairbell gallop toward a portal portal and enter it.
Crusader Alrick yells: At your side, my lady!
Deathstalker Commander Belmont says: They’re getting away!
Dark Ranger Velonara says: Do not chase! Their time will come.
At another portal, Huntmaster Scarborgh repeats the same action as the inquisitor.
Huntmaster Scarborgh says: Flee, to hunt another day!
Deathstalker Commander Belmont says: Cowards. Running away.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Death_to_the_Living
As for Crusader Alrick and Huntmaster Scarborgh, they have yet to be seen since.
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I will die on the hill that Sylvanas having a greater motivation was a later development due to backlash and maybe realizing the “lol we’re not garroshing the horde again” line they gave was an outright lie.
It was not hinted at whatsoever in BFA despite multiple places where it could have fit.
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FWIW however much people hated it, they did, basically, set up the idea of the Scarlet using the Gilneans as a meatshield already in BFA, it’s just like one of a dozen abandoned plot threads that never went anywhere.
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Night Elves are one of the most played races last I heard.
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Eh, we still have too many of the previous generation hogging spotlight. Jaina, Genn, Thrall, Anduin, Baine, most of the Bronzebeards, Kadgar, ect.
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Nelf and Belf are basically a margin of error apart in all the game’s data but nelves are usually a close second (also roughly if you put all elves in one group you’d get 3 equal factions which is kinda funny to me)
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Most of the time they can’t even seem to agree on what to do with Worgen, at least historically anyway. For example, it’s ridiculous that the PvP towers in Legion was one of the only times they ever had Worgen Mage NPCs. They also don’t seem to do Worgen Priest NPCs very often, either, if ever.
Let’s not even get started on the general lack of notable female Worgen characters.
The Worgen getting Gilneas back is at least better than Gilneas being in lore limbo, even if the reclamation of Gilneas could have been done better.
I definitely agree with that. It basically felt like they really, REALLY wanted N’zoth out of the way so they could dive right into the Void Lords or something. BfA was full of questionable narrative and design choices, like Queen Azshara deciding to expose Nazjatar to the open air for some reason.
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I feel like this is an example of gameplay > lore given the reception Vashj’ir got. I don’t think the avg player could handle a full on underwater zone for a whole patch when they couldn’t handle one for leveling.
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Cata would have been the time to bring Vash as zone in my opinion. Maybe not the Queen but that could have been a cool lead in to an expac where we seen the Naga lead the Queen invading Azeroth.
Oh absolutely. I think I mentioned this on another topic, that they were just smacking her with the villain bat for no actual good reason and said it was the Jailer’s plans during Shadowlands because now everything was his plan. There was no foreshadowing because there was nothing to foreshadow.
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I get that’s why they did it, it just seems a little odd that Queen Azshara’s the one who exposes Nazjatar.
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While I don’t think that is impossible, I think it is highly unlikely.
Mostly because of logistics. Remember they are are already working on the next expac when they release one. There were cinematics that happened early enough in Shadowlands (notably the intro cinematic - a LOT of time and work) that to change direction because of backlash would have required a ton of rush work and frantic redesign that I just don’t see them doing because of feedback during BfA.
And secondly, we can look at how they historically handled backlash. Look at Cata. They didn’t change direction on MoP because of the backlash from Cata. Alliance complaints about content imbalance, lack of good moments, etc. didn’t make them change the MoP story. And it didn’t stop them from again putting in more Horde story, including an entire patch just for the Horde. They showed the most they were willing to do is a few, minor dialog changes. If that was all they were willing to do for the Alliance players going from Cata to MoP, why would they be willing to do so much more for the Horde player going from BfA to Shadowlands? Unless you believe Blizzard really does care more about Horde players that Alliance players, it is hard to justify believing they would do so much more work to try to placate Horde players than they were willing to do for Alliance.
Don’t misunderstand, I don’t think Sylvanas arc was a good one. For a plethora of reasons, many you would likely agree with. It is just that I don’t think it was changed to that story arc because of Horde players being upset with BfA. The development of Shadowlands would just have been to far along for them to make that large of a story overhaul because of negative feedback from BfA.
I would argue that is more because we are at the start of the new period.
Remember they are not doing a time skip. That means we are seeing the passing of the torch, not coming in after it is done. And it has started. Malfurion and Tyrande retired and passed the torch. Genn clearly passed the torch to his daughter. Magni is retiring. Even the whole story of the Earthen is a pretty heavy handed passing to the next generation.
The point is that the handing off to the next generation is something that is happening currently. It is not done yet.
Sure, but HQ Cinematics are really the only thing they can’t change within a year in advance of beta/launch.
Look at the Legion and BFA cinematics and their tones vs what happened in the related stories in-expansion. There’s a massive shift.
Ultimately Sylvanas’ motivations didn’t matter at all to the structural story of Shadowlands, she was demoted to a lackey of the Jailer and not a prized one.
Like say the intro cinematic? Do you remember how the Shadowlands one ended?
Sylvanas: “And I will set us all free.”
What I am getting at is that Sylvanas motivations were not a change in reaction to negative feedback. They planned that arc well in advance.