I just returned after a long break and was excited to see we had a quest to reclaim Gilneas… But I’m confused as to why the Forsaken just get off the hook for laying siege to the city for 5 expacs and also why all of the sudden Genn hates Calia Menethil?
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Does Genn hate Calia? Did they interact at all in that quest chain? It was so forgettable (except by how rushed it was) that I just don’t remember them interacting at all.
The Forsaken aren’t off the hook, but some of them are putting in the work to mend bridges by helping people who they’ve wronged. That usually means Lillian because apparently she’s the only Forsaken character, but whatever.
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You must be reading too much into it, Genn does not hate Calia.
It is just shortly after entering the city for the quest Lillian and Calia are standing together and Genn becomes enraged at the sight of the Forsaken asking “Why are they here?” to which his daughter had to calm him and he apologizes saying “Everytime I see them I remember your brother.” This were I asked why would he feel that way about Calia?
I felt like the Scarlet Crusade being the enemy was such a heres the b team over having it being the Forsaken.
Definitely possible, as it was a very brief interaction.
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Oh, that’s right. Well, I think that was to set him up as a racist old man who cannot let go of old hatreds, which is why he decides to abdicate and give the throne to Tess. Which kind of contradicts the characterization going on in Shadows Rising in which he decides that Forsaken aren’t the problem, Sylvanas is the problem. But Blizzard doesn’t really have any enclave of Worgen lovers on the team, so it unfortunately suffers from that.
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The Scarlets are kinda random but the Forsaken never wanted Gilneas. They’re strong armed into invading it by Garrosh and in the Silverpine questline the story ends with a stalemate at Greymane’s Wall. The Worgen retreat back into Gilneas and you go off to deal with Lord Godfrey in Pyrewood.
So the Forsaken fighting tooth and nail for a region they never held or even wanted to would also be pretty random. This at least starts to bury the hatchet and normalize Worgen and Forsaken relations. So if we do revisit the area in a revamp we can have it be a more stable zone or at least one without a mandated conflict between them.
Frankly I was fine with it because the Worgen being the Forsaken’s arch enemy was comically one sided. The Worgen are an enemy you’ve been forced to pick a fight with in Silverpine where the real villain is Garrosh. Because it shows you he’s homicidally indifferent to Forsaken casualties. Then they have a brief appearance in Hillsbrad in a questline where the Bloodfang team up with the Stormpikes in Alterac. And then they literally never come up again until Stormheim a decade later.
It’s a hilariously one sided beef and I think you can do more with Victorian werewolves than “Idk make em fight the other team’s spooky guys”…
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Genn is just the first of what I expect to be a long string of retirements, Alliance side at least, as it was quickly followed with Tyrande and Malfurion. In TWW—so far—we have Magni retiring as speaker and passing the torch formally to Moria and Dagran.
We are basically entering the Warcraft: Next Generations period.
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I don’t think Genn hates Callia SPECIFICALLY. I think he hates the undead in general, thus Callia gets the ol’ prejudice by virtue of being one.
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He doesn’t hate Calia Menethil. He hates she chose the Forsaken and joined the Horde. He actually likes her, but feels betrayed by her. If you read “Before the Storm” and his interactions with her and Alonsus Faol you realize he has a hard time seeing the humanity in the Forsaken.
When Alonsus Faol was presented by Anduin and Calia. Turalyon and Genn were demurred by the experience, but eventually tried to look past the undead form before them and tried to see the humanity within. Then the Gathering happened… Calia died… and once again Genn Greymane lost a friend and an ally in Calia Menethil or so he felt.
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And I’m okay with that. Doesn’t bother me like I thought it would originally
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TBH it is a natural thing given how long this franchise has been going. We are in year 42 ADP… That is a long darn time for some of the shorter lived races.
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The answer Blizzard somehow missed, was that the enemy to unite the Worgen and Forsaken in the retaking of Gilneas, should have been Scourge Warlord Vincent Godfrey.
The Worgen have PLENTY of reason to want to kill Godfrey, again. As do the Forsaken.
A Godfrey raised by the Scourge and now acting as the leader of a faction of it, establishing his own undead kingdom over the ruins of Gilneas? Everyone would’ve been on board for ending that. Even then working together might’ve been a bit of a stretch, but I’m pretty sure the Forsakens’ hatred of the Scourge and the Worgens’ hatred of Godfrey would’ve made retaking the kingdom in tandem a lot more sensible, and beneficial for both sides.
While the Worgen get their home back, the Forsaken secure their borders against the remnants of the threat that is responsible for their existence to begin with. A complete win-win.
I’ll never understand why Blizzard dragged the Scarlets out. I have theories, but narratively speaking, a Scourge Godfrey would’ve been the best choice here.
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I wish we were. Unfortunately the crop of new characters we’re getting is quite slim compared to older legacy characters. If anything my major complaint is they haven’t done enough to build up new characters besides the ones we already have.
Dagran and Faerin are both good first steps. But we cannot add some others over old characters? Like, why is Danath showing up? Because he was in the Sons of Lothar with Alleria? This guy is like 70 or 80 years old by now, what is he doing? Why is Jaina showing up again? Maybe we could’ve alleviated half these complaints about too many Alliance characters if Jaina wasn’t involved. Stop giving gigs to Jaina, Lillian, and Thrall.
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I have to admit the last book I’ve read relating to WoW was day of the Dragon. 
Which I will have to add those books to the list of need to read once I finish book 4 of the Stormlight series.
That is a little confusing seeing as he got along with her all of BFA.
I don’t know if it was really all Garrosh seeing as they took South Shore killing all the ally there and are still farming the people of hillsbrad without consequences
Having Thalyssra show up instead of Jaina would have been such a good choice. She’s also a powerful mage, knows a lot about the arcane and would benefit from more screentime.
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Wait, did he? I removed most of BFA from my memory. Or was that Alliance-only interactions? Because I only played Horde.
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It was part of the Alliance story line they were war allies and everything. Speaking of BFA I really think Nzoth was wasted in that expac and he should’ve been a part of the War within.
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What more do you want from them?
That’s a hard agree from me. Back then I was really hoping for Nyalotha to be a full zone, but it was just a raid. They really took the last known old god and threw it in the burner like that. It was sad.
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There is that creepy fish quest in hallowfall that kinda drops the hint that n’zoth might still be around
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