So, a static world forever...

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From: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-07-05-millions-of-people-are-still-playing-skyrim-every-month
"Even now, the amount of people who play Skyrim seven years later; millions of people every month are playing that game," Howard replied. "That's why we keep releasing it. If you want us to stop releasing it, stop buying it."

I don't see how Classic is any different.

There's the pent up demand for it in place, as is, #nochanges (cue chanting, bring in the pitchforks and torches).

It's a fine distraction for existing WoW players to jump over when they're bored of retail.

It's pristine nature is a key to its draw.

TBC, and Wrath are not as necessary to be redone simply because they didn't suffer the Cataclysm. Vanilla did. Vanilla got rebooted. Everyone curses BC and Wrath questing because they have not changed. The classes have changed, experience for leveling, etc. But the story, the world, the drops, the gear, is mostly the same (save for the global affect of the squishes).

But Classic, Vanilla -- it's pretty much gone in the current game. That's what makes Classic compelling. As it was, warts and all, as best as they can make it.

Classic, static Classic, will make plenty of money. It will pay for itself the day it's released, it will continue to be profitable either with dedicate subscriptions, or simply good will. It's maintenance burden is low as it's mostly technical engine testing changes that they have to keep up with, they don't have to develop new content, new art, new story, balance attributes, create gear, nothing. They just need to ensure that the sound works and the pixels are the right colors in the right places on modern hardware as the computers change going in to the future.

And just think, if in 5 years, they need an ARM port of WoW? Classic will come along "for free".

If you as a player are bored of Classic and no longer want to play, it's no big deal. It's OK to leave and play something else. I haven't been to Disneyland in years. Years and years and years. I have friends with annual passes, one friend is a total Disney geek. But, nope, not for me, no matter how often I used to go when I was younger.

I will tell you this.

Disney is not missing me.

Blizzard won't miss you if you leave Classic. They will wish you well, and simply let you know that the light should still be on if you ever want to just pop back.
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10/05/2018 11:29 AMPosted by Piddy
From: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-07-05-millions-of-people-are-still-playing-skyrim-every-month
"Even now, the amount of people who play Skyrim seven years later; millions of people every month are playing that game," Howard replied. "That's why we keep releasing it. If you want us to stop releasing it, stop buying it."

I don't see how Classic is any different.


Skyrim is a single player game, and in Skyrim you can restart the entire experience over and over again by starting a new game.

In an MMO you can't really do that. You can roll a new toon on the server, but the experience wont even be close to what it was leveling the first time.

Finding instance groups will be significantly harder, many people leveling alts later on have bank rolled them with BoE items and enchants making things far less challenging.
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10/04/2018 11:51 AMPosted by Heyyoua
I agree. I know people rage when you say this on a classic forum. And I am ALL for vanilla wow, but I mean once it runs out of time, if you don't make a FRESH server it will die. I honestly believe they should run through Vanilla>TBC>WRATH and then put that !@#$ on repeat. Go back to vanilla>TBC>Wrath.


They should look into doing cross game events with other blizz games. Make an event with overwatch stuff or even better hearthstone.
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10/05/2018 11:29 AMPosted by Piddy
I don't see how Classic is any different.

While a good speech, comparing Classic to one of the most modded games in history, really? Skyrim doesn't go stagnant, because people can add new things to it. I am sorry, but it is really a crappy comparison.
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10/05/2018 12:14 PMPosted by Swani
10/05/2018 11:29 AMPosted by Piddy
I don't see how Classic is any different.

While a good speech, comparing Classic to one of the most modded games in history, really? Skyrim doesn't go stagnant, because people can add new things to it. I am sorry, but it is really a crappy comparison.


Also, it is a single player game which makes it immediately incomparable in any form to an MMO.
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10/05/2018 12:31 PMPosted by Heyyoua
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While a good speech, comparing Classic to one of the most modded games in history, really? Skyrim doesn't go stagnant, because people can add new things to it. I am sorry, but it is really a crappy comparison.


Also, it is a single player game which makes it immediately incomparable in any form to an MMO.

Aye that as well. Although the modding stands out for me. It is more or less like saying we should allow transmog lol :D
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All the have to do is release fresh servers every 2 years.
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10/05/2018 07:31 AMPosted by Christhina
10/04/2018 11:47 AMPosted by Mordegast
I'm not speaking of the few of us who have downs syndrome and can play whack a mole or grind boars for 6 years straight, while laughing about seeing the boars get slaughtered.

Every single shred of respect your arguments and proposal could have garnered were utterly thrown out the window with this paragraph.

Why can't people hold a rational, reasonable debate or discussion without stooping to comments like this?


Some mentally disabled people can do this same thing over, and over, and over until they fall over dead.

You don't like what I have to say, or how it relates to my argument? That's fine, but no need to be so PC, and ridiculous to throw out the entire argument.
You sound like one of those idiots wanting Kavanaugh to resign over feels.

OH MY GOD!HE SAID SOMETHING OFFENSIVE!!! BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!!

GTFO!

And to the majority of other people in this thread, are you so ignorant, stupid, or just plain retarded(oh god I said it again!) to see I'm asking for a separation of Classic museum, and a progressive Classic server for those of us who don't want to sit in Naxxramas for the next 10 years?

Is it a reading comprehension issue? Too many Cheetos and dew? Brain all clogged up or something?!
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10/05/2018 07:45 AMPosted by Diggitydave
The designers of SWTOR decided that they didn't need to focus on providing progression for their max level characters because players could just reroll an alt an experience the story again from a different perspective. That worked out well for them.


It did didn't it! But that's ok, Classic will be "different"
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10/05/2018 10:08 AMPosted by Raypugh
I’m actually looking forward to something static like classic wow forever. I don’t get these posts. Am I supposed to be scared by it? I already know what vanilla entails and I’m excited for it.


For one, I'm not advocating removal of a static world at all.
I'm asking for an ADDITIONAL, progression type vanilla server, where we get content updates, not expansions.

AGAIN. JUST SO YOUR LITTLE 4 CYLINDER BRAIN CAN COMPREHEND IT..

I AM NOY ADVOCATING REMOVAL OF A STATIC SERVER - BUT AN ADDITIONAL SERVER, THAT OFFERS PROGRESSION.

People are fine playing on a dead server, as so many are saying? Well, fk em, works for me. I'll be on the progression server with all the other people.
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10/05/2018 05:10 PMPosted by Mordegast
AGAIN. JUST SO YOUR LITTLE 4 CYLINDER BRAIN CAN COMPREHEND IT..

I AM NOY ADVOCATING REMOVAL OF A STATIC SERVER - BUT AN ADDITIONAL SERVER, THAT OFFERS PROGRESSION.


Based on your post history, shouldn't you be at a cross burning or something?
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10/05/2018 05:10 PMPosted by Mordegast
For one, I'm not advocating removal of a static world at all.


I am advocating for the elimination of a static world ever being a possibility.

To me, this is an issue like Flying/no flying or Cross Realming in the modern game..... People are lazy little sheep that always want the path of least resistance.... and will take the path of least resistance even at the long term expense of the game.

It's casuals who don't want to be "inconvenienced" by forcing them to actually engage in the very content they claim to be super captivated by..

"I don't want to to start over every 2-3 years" Even though the progression is the engine that drives the game and will need to be simulated with resets if there's no expansion.

It's the exact same, lazy entitled behavior from the players that brought us Cross Realming because they didn't want to be inconvenienced by actually having to work to have a solid server community in order to form groups. Or lose their minds over flying being taken away at the start of every expansion when they seemingly only ever use it to entirely skip over the very content their (invariably) casual and lazy butts claim to enjoy so thoroughly.

These same people lose their minds over the topic of class balance discussions (which also nearly invariably don't actually impact them in any meaningful way) but insist on making a massive systemic change to the game that makes class tuning a mere drop in the bucket by comparison.

The game was inherently designed around a time limit within which you could progress before a new tier/expansion caused a soft or hard reset. If people can't kill Kel Thuzad (or whatever boss) in that time period, perhaps they should just suck less next time rather than asking for game genie to give them unlimited attempts over indefinite time periods.
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10/05/2018 05:10 PMPosted by Mordegast

For one, I'm not advocating removal of a static world at all.
I'm asking for an ADDITIONAL, progression type vanilla server, where we get content updates, not expansions.

AGAIN. JUST SO YOUR LITTLE 4 CYLINDER BRAIN CAN COMPREHEND IT..

Chitty chitty bang bang, we love you!
I AM NOY ADVOCATING REMOVAL OF A STATIC SERVER - BUT AN ADDITIONAL SERVER, THAT OFFERS PROGRESSION.

Advocate away, it won't happen.

Why? Too much maintenance. Too many servers. Too much work.

Classic is the Field of Dreams. Build it and they will come. Who? Maybe not you, but many will come.

They're busy vetting the assets and data and levering it all on to the new infrastructure.

They're not going to do that (and let me bold this for your super charged nitro Hemi V-8 Wile E. Coyote [suuupra geeenius] brain)ELEVEN MORE TIMES, from 1.1 through 1.11.

Boy, I'd love to see the Necropolises floating over Ironforge as much as the next guy.

But, nope. Not happening.

Classic is a building restoration. Taking the boards off the windows, reupholstering the vintage, worn furniture inside, paint the walls, make it a snapshot of glory days past, and add a gift shop in the old study.

The 20-30 man team developing Classic right now will GO AWAY when it's done, merging back in to whatever other schemes Blizzard has. Classic will go on maintenance, with some dedicated testers, QA, and operations to make sure it keeps running tip top.

But that, as they say, will be that. Classic is to WoW what D2 is to D3.
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10/05/2018 05:33 PMPosted by Åpocalypse
10/05/2018 05:10 PMPosted by Mordegast
For one, I'm not advocating removal of a static world at all.


I am advocating for the elimination of a static world ever being a possibility.

To me, this is an issue like Flying/no flying or Cross Realming in the modern game..... People are lazy little sheep that always want the path of least resistance.... and will take the path of least resistance even at the long term expense of the game.

It's casuals who don't want to be "inconvenienced" by forcing them to actually engage in the very content they claim to be super captivated by..

"I don't want to to start over every 2-3 years" Even though the progression is the engine that drives the game and will need to be simulated with resets if there's no expansion.

It's the exact same, lazy entitled behavior from the players that brought us Cross Realming because they didn't want to be inconvenienced by actually having to work to have a solid server community in order to form groups. Or lose their minds over flying being taken away at the start of every expansion when they seemingly only ever use it to entirely skip over the very content their (invariably) casual and lazy butts claim to enjoy so thoroughly.

These same people lose their minds over the topic of class balance discussions (which also nearly invariably don't actually impact them in any meaningful way) but insist on making a massive systemic change to the game that makes class tuning a mere drop in the bucket by comparison.

The game was inherently designed around a time limit within which you could progress before a new tier/expansion caused a soft or hard reset. If people can't kill Kel Thuzad (or whatever boss) in that time period, perhaps they should just suck less next time rather than asking for game genie to give them unlimited attempts over indefinite time periods.


I'm agree with you, I'm just not sure it work within the scope of their project.
We can't deny there are people who want vanilla to remain exactly as it was.
The problem is, as you have pointed out, without any progression, those servers really will die.

So do we give them what they want, like a child asking for a big bag of candy, full well knowing the results?

It's a big problem. I think the easiest solution to it, is adding progression servers to the classic lineup.
If those purists really want to play by themselves and the other 2 people on the server once it's run its course, or reroll, hey, who am I to disagree?

At the same token, if people want to play on the progression server, what's wrong with that? Hell I'd even pay 15 a month for it alone.

There's no reason both worlds can't exist.
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All this discussion on whether people will keep playing it, meanwhile there are hundreds of people online right now in p1999 grinding pixels and loving it.

If there werent any private servers for wow I would by into the whole "its gunna fail brah" mental disorder.
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10/05/2018 06:55 PMPosted by Nocht
All this discussion on whether people will keep playing it, meanwhile there are hundreds of people online right now in p1999 grinding pixels and loving it.

If there werent any private servers for wow I would by into the whole "its gunna fail brah" mental disorder.


Forgive me if I am wrong in how p1999 works as I have never played there, but it is currently in the second expansion of EQ is it not?

I can't speak for anyone else in this thread, but I personally am saying that leaving classic wow static at the point of naxxramas will cause it to wither out and die, and that progressing through the first few expansions will make the experience much better.
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Why do we play older games? Same thing. Classic WoW isn't the only old game out there. There's still a community for these old Games.

As long as I keep playing it, that's all that matters. I plan to level more than one Toon and switch around Professions and mess with the Talent Trees. Some people are just stuck on the one track mind, they forget to think outside the box.
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10/05/2018 07:12 PMPosted by Diggitydave
10/05/2018 06:55 PMPosted by Nocht
All this discussion on whether people will keep playing it, meanwhile there are hundreds of people online right now in p1999 grinding pixels and loving it.

If there werent any private servers for wow I would by into the whole "its gunna fail brah" mental disorder.


Forgive me if I am wrong in how p1999 works as I have never played there, but it is currently in the second expansion of EQ is it not?

I can't speak for anyone else in this thread, but I personally am saying that leaving classic wow static at the point of naxxramas will cause it to wither out and die, and that progressing through the first few expansions will make the experience much better.


P1999 is the first three expansions. Pretty much all the content before Shadows of Luclin which changed the games formula. Raid progression in eq is a totally different beast though.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldnt mind if blizz dropped a few more bombshells on us and decided to do BC and maybe Wotlk servers. That would be pretty ideal imo as Cataclysm was pretty much the rebirthing of wow as we know it today.
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10/05/2018 05:33 PMPosted by Åpocalypse
It's casuals who don't want to be "inconvenienced" by forcing them to actually engage in the very content they claim to be super captivated by.


It has nothing to do with being casual or hardcore. I plan on getting all BiS as quickly as raid lockouts will allow.

It's quite clear you don't understand the difference between someone who can enjoy a static game indefinitely and the type of player you're insisting is the only one that exists who needs a constant flow of new content. Your cognitive dissonance is working overtime. It's a good thing Blizzard gets it.

They're going to have static servers. Get used to it.
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10/05/2018 07:27 PMPosted by Dealloc
It has nothing to do with being casual or hardcore. I plan on getting all BiS as quickly as raid lockouts will allow.

It's quite clear you don't understand the difference between someone who can enjoy a static game indefinitely and the type of player you're insisting is the only one that exists who needs a constant flow of new content. Your cognitive dissonance is working overtime. It's a good thing Blizzard gets it.

They're going to have static servers. Get used to it.
I consider myself Casual, as well. I don't mind stagnated servers. Gives me plenty of time, in my own time.
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