There is absolutely no way this ends well for everyone, that much is clear. Blizzard has been adamant they want nothing to do with managing 2 MMO's so the notion anything new will be developed is essentially a non-starter. Sure, if this whole thing ends up being wildly popular they may reconsider but I really don't see that being the case and I am very much Pro-Classic.
The original request was for a re-release of Vanilla, nothing more. That notion was ridiculed mercilessly on GD as stupid and senseless and Blizz famously added that we only thought we wanted it. After years of stonewalling, they finally gave in and everything they have released indicates they are simply going to release a "museum piece" of Vanilla. Nothing that wasn't there with a few choices from early patches (5 or 10 man versions of certain dungeons as a prime example) as well as some back-end updates.
Now it seems a lot of the folks saying how dumb the idea of Vanilla was are suddenly barging in demanding changes. From all Blizzard has said, I think they pretty much get it. Retail is the ongoing experiment they will continue to manage and Classic will simply be a museum piece to be visited by those wishing to experience what used to be.
Again, many folks are going to be disappointed depending on their expectations. This will be Classic WoW, not WoW 2.0, so it gets rather easy to see which folks will be disappointed.
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Take a hint from Pservers...
Give people like 3 years as a compromise (instead of 2), then wipe and restart FRESH.
The only people who really get triggered by this concept are the super casuals anyhow... and they don't matter (and honestly shouldn't complain) because the leveling content is their whole thing anyhow. Anyone willing to put in the effort can do it again no problem.
Give people like 3 years as a compromise (instead of 2), then wipe and restart FRESH.
The only people who really get triggered by this concept are the super casuals anyhow... and they don't matter (and honestly shouldn't complain) because the leveling content is their whole thing anyhow. Anyone willing to put in the effort can do it again no problem.
10/04/2018 11:47 AMPosted by MordegastPerhaps you didn't play Vanilla, but played BC or Wrath.
I want you to try to remember a time, without the rose colored glasses, a time when ICC was out for what seemed like forever. Perhaps a time when BT, SCC, Any content really, had been out for a long period of time without new content.
Private servers are exempt from this in a way due to their nature.
The way they work is one opens up, it fills up, and then six months(ish) later another one opens up, promising everyone a fresh start, and new bobbles and gold wobbles! More transparency, better devs, less corruption, etc.
So what happens?
Well, 3/4 of the server bails for this "fresh start", and you're left playing an MMORPG that is actually quite dependent on other people. Alone. Of course not everyone will leave, but it gets bad. You can't fill the raid, you end up jumping in circles in Org or IF on your mount, perhaps hoping to see something fun to do in trade.
So what do you do? Well, you go to the new server and reroll your warrior. At least you have MC, BWL and perhaps some AQ to look forward to, especially since it's a fresh server. It can be fun, right?
How does this relate to Classic? Classic won't be going anywhere.
There will come a time when you will be sitting there in your capital, in your shiny gear, bouncing or sitting around, with nothing to do. Yes, even in vanilla you can run out of content.
I'm not speaking of the few of us who have downs syndrome and can play whack a mole or grind boars for 6 years straight, while laughing about seeing the boars get slaughtered.
Without additional content, the majority of the people will move on, your guild will die, and you'll be sitting there in front of your PC, a single tear running down the side of your cheek, wishing Vanilla would go on.
If you want Classic to remain, we MUST be pushing for a type of server that offers additional content post Naxx. It's the only way it will survive.
We're talking 2-3 years here, it will pass quickly.
All they have to do is release fresh servers every 2 years or so. But I also would be interested in seeing post nax content on a separate server down the line.
I'm not sure why people are looking at this like its a brand new MMO. Its a relaunch of a 13-14 year old MMO. It's a separate server from the live retail option. If you want more of the game, you have the retail version.
You know every now and then I like to load up FF3 on my SNES and play it. Sure its way behind graphically and it too has and end but it doesnt matter to me. I think what a lot of "you will get bored and run out of content" folks are looking like this rehash of the old version of the game is something else. It's supposed to have an eventual end, its supposed have the vanilla content only. That is why it was created. If people play it for 2 years and get bored, no big deal. I came and left Vanilla wow several times since launch day back in 04 but it doesnt mean that I wont enjoy it even if I only play for a few months. I have that option just like my FF3 (VI).
You know every now and then I like to load up FF3 on my SNES and play it. Sure its way behind graphically and it too has and end but it doesnt matter to me. I think what a lot of "you will get bored and run out of content" folks are looking like this rehash of the old version of the game is something else. It's supposed to have an eventual end, its supposed have the vanilla content only. That is why it was created. If people play it for 2 years and get bored, no big deal. I came and left Vanilla wow several times since launch day back in 04 but it doesnt mean that I wont enjoy it even if I only play for a few months. I have that option just like my FF3 (VI).
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The end of Wraith was the best drought in WoW history. I loved it. I absolutely hate the gear chase and anytime that slows down I am overjoyed. Once I get gear I just PvP so I am looking forward to the end of Naxx and getting my end game gear on my main PvP character. Then I can spend the next decade just gearing alts and PvP!
The reason I quit retail was because of the endless gear chase.
The reason I quit retail was because of the endless gear chase.
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10/04/2018 11:47 AMPosted by Mordegast
If you want Classic to remain, we MUST be pushing for a type of server that offers additional content post Naxx. It's the only way it will survive.
We're talking 2-3 years here, it will pass quickly.
So you're saying you're from the future?
10/04/2018 01:44 PMPosted by MulchaAlright I'll bite suspicious lvl 1 alt who is like "i'm totally for classic but don't you think they should make changes to it guys before things even comeout? maybe make it more like the current product".
Seriously, thats you right now.
this isn't going to be an issue for you anyway, since its going to take you quite some time to make it through all the game's content, and you'll likely become disenchanted for actually working for your loot. You only have so many lockouts to gear up your raid.
Lets revisit this at a time when it's actually a problem. Perhaps in the 2-3 years it takes for all the content to be consumed (or more most likely) they'll underrstand what a hellish abomination the current product has become and start developing new expansions for the classic system again. I'd love to see them take another crack at the content originally set to be in vanilla that was ultimately cut, such as Hyjal (now with proper giant archimond skeleton)
You really need to specify who you are talking to, because assuming it’s me I am literally asking for no changes at all I am just talking about what if’s. I personally would want them to go to TBC. As for “let’s talk about it 2-3 down the line”, we are just talking dude it’s fun to talk about what they could do.
10/04/2018 12:39 PMPosted by MordegastHow would the addition of a new type of server, different than the classic museum, that offers content patches, negatively affect your Classic experience?
Okay, I missed that you were proposing adding a different server later, while not touching, not changing, the original WOW: Classic servers.
10/04/2018 11:47 AMPosted by MordegastIf you want Classic to remain, we MUST be pushing for a type of server that offers additional content post Naxx. It's the only way it will survive.
My impression of that was pushing for the WOW: Classic servers to be that type - versus pushing for NEW servers offering some Classic+ experience. And, yeah, those would not affect me.
Well ... it wouldn't affect me unless Blizzard prioritizes development of new content servers before restoring BC (which I'd split time between that and WOW: Classic) and Wrath (not for me, but I know it has a strong following as well).
If anything, the place you're more likely to get HUGE backlash from is Retail players. Why? It's easier to argue that WOW: Classic is not taking away any new content development when no new content is being developed. To add a content development team making Classic+: Alternate Universe would be much more direct competition to whatever WOW Expansion or Major Patch.
10/04/2018 01:57 PMPosted by ÅpocalypseTake a hint from Pservers...
Give people like 3 years as a compromise (instead of 2), then wipe and restart FRESH.
The only people who really get triggered by this concept are the super casuals anyhow... and they don't matter (and honestly shouldn't complain) because the leveling content is their whole thing anyhow. Anyone willing to put in the effort can do it again no problem.
shut the f*ck up.
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10/04/2018 01:57 PMPosted by ÅpocalypseTake a hint from Pservers...
Give people like 3 years as a compromise (instead of 2), then wipe and restart FRESH
Mmm... Nope.
Forced server resets are the worst idea since the Nintendo Virtual Boy.
10/04/2018 02:14 PMPosted by Wife10/04/2018 11:47 AMPosted by Mordegast
If you want Classic to remain, we MUST be pushing for a type of server that offers additional content post Naxx. It's the only way it will survive.
We're talking 2-3 years here, it will pass quickly.
So you're saying you're from the future?
If that is the case, can I get the winning Powerball lottery numbers please? I'll share.
There is 0.0% chance of this happening, and it goes against what Brack has already said.10/04/2018 01:57 PMPosted by ÅpocalypseTake a hint from Pservers...
Give people like 3 years as a compromise (instead of 2), then wipe and restart FRESH.
There's nothing stopping someone from starting over. To force it on everyone makes no sense. Have a designated cycle server that does what you say. Bam, problem solved.
10/04/2018 12:22 PMPosted by Cybertilded10/04/2018 12:15 PMPosted by SyradraNot even close.
If you release a TBC server with a copy function, then everyone who joins without playing Classic is screwed over. On top of that, you'd have characters who are copied over with thousands of gold ruining the economy. If you want a TBC Server, then start at level 1.
People are going to want to bring there mains over to tbc to progress through tbc. Logically its the same thing as progressing the server into tbc. Imagine copying a server and launching that one into TBC while the original remained as vanilla.
They can do that, by making a level 1 on a TBC server.
However all TBC Content is already available in BFA unlike Vanilla WoW.
Yeah... static world forever.
* No class prunings.
* No pathfinder.
* No obscene dailies and world quests other than what you make where you want to make it.
* Enough time to level every class and race up through Naxx 40 without fear of an expansion to take the experiences all away.
I really don't know what I'm going to do with myself.
* No class prunings.
* No pathfinder.
* No obscene dailies and world quests other than what you make where you want to make it.
* Enough time to level every class and race up through Naxx 40 without fear of an expansion to take the experiences all away.
I really don't know what I'm going to do with myself.
10/04/2018 02:31 PMPosted by SyradraHowever all TBC Content is already available in BFA unlike Vanilla WoW.
Yes and no. Yes through the lens of BFA system, and no because that lens of BFA trivialise the content. Even if you capped your level at 70, it simply wouldn't play the same.
10/04/2018 02:34 PMPosted by Swani10/04/2018 02:31 PMPosted by SyradraHowever all TBC Content is already available in BFA unlike Vanilla WoW.
Yes and no. Yes through the lens of BFA system, and no because that lens of BFA trivialise the content. Even if you capped your level at 70, it simply wouldn't play the same.
I stated the content is still there, not that it was viable to freeze at 70.
10/04/2018 02:32 PMPosted by BullhoofYeah... static world forever.
* No class prunings.
* No pathfinder.
* No obscene dailies and world quests other than what you make where you want to make it.
* Enough time to level every class and race up through Naxx 40 without fear of an expansion to take the experiences all away.
I really don't know what I'm going to do with myself.
If I may add onto this brilliant list...
* Actual Player Freedom
* An open-ended narrative in a world that's FAR more sandbox than it is currently
* No stress/pressure thanks to aforementioned impending expansions
* RP opportunities on RP realms are now virtually limitless
* You can ignore the post-Classic lore if you want to now
Yeah, there are a HUGE amount of benefits to this. :) But those benefits go away once you start tacking on expansions in the name of "keeping the game alive."
The players will just have to make their own ongoing fun with the tools Blizzard has given them. It's the way it should have always been.
Basically... #NoExpansions
There needs to be two Classic servers. A static server and a seasons server that forces you to reroll at 1 each new season. The seasons need to be long, though, like a full year. Long enough to reach Naxx40.
10/04/2018 02:30 PMPosted by MogarThere's nothing stopping someone from starting over. To force it on everyone makes no sense. Have a designated cycle server that does what you say. Bam, problem solved.
It's not starting over in any way shape or form when you get boosted through AQ40 and Naxx within an hour of hitting 60, or at the very least speed run through MC getting funneled loot from groups still farming for Thunderfury.
I get that casuals don't grasp basic facts about this game's design, but trivializing the majority of the content and letting things stagnate is a pretty powerfully stupid way to keep the servers going long term.... and the game's participation numbers always crater during content droughts.... The game simply cannot survive long term on casuals too stupid to know otherwise. They don't play enough to sustain a server/enough to matter.
Pservers already prove this out, and there's a reason they launch fresh servers constantly in the AQ40-Naxx range and the old ones immediately die.
10/04/2018 02:25 PMPosted by DeallocMmm... Nope.
Forced server resets are the worst idea since the Nintendo Virtual Boy.
An idea so bad it's only exceeded in pure terribleness by the moronic assumption that a stagnate server will function long term, when all evidence from both retail and Pservers proves the contrary.
They'll expand it. Anyone thinking they won't is crazy.
I'm sure they'll do expansion servers; but I think the real right move is to create content that fits into what Vanilla was - and build what the game could have been. Finish those zones. Finish those quests. Add those raids you had planned.
It'll happen.
I'm sure they'll do expansion servers; but I think the real right move is to create content that fits into what Vanilla was - and build what the game could have been. Finish those zones. Finish those quests. Add those raids you had planned.
It'll happen.