So, 9.0.5 is only to address streamers and m+?

[Chalanight-emerald-dream]

@Rhielle-sentinels

I was soloing Mythic HFC the end of Legion.

bullroar, Hellfire Assault was essentially impossible to solo unless you had a cheese class/spec to solo the fight. The fix was implemented two years ago

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

I was on my Balance Druid. Aside from one fight, that place could be done without needing a group. Now you can’t even walk into the door of Mythic ToS and beat the first boss. Four years and two expansions later.

[Slambang-blackwater-raiders (Slambang)]

@Krexen-korialstrasz

They don’t want to be gear locked, same as any other player. I’ve not seen a single person ask for a handout, but that accusation is thrown around a lot. As it stands, unless you raid/mthics, you hit a gear wall. If there’s no way to overcome that wall without doing raids/mythics, and that’s not your play style, why continue to play the game?

“Why do you need better gear if you aren’t doing that content?”
Because it’s progression from where they currently are. Not only does it make doing current content easier, but it could provide those players with the option of exploring the world of raid/m+. I mean, that’s goal no? To get more people into those environments?

Not a single person is asking for a handout. You don’t hit the gear wall by being lazy.

It’s so refreshing to read something from someone that is logical. Krexen hit the nail on the head! I’m at 196. I worked my way up to it. Would like some more solo type world quests that is a little more challenging, like a true dungeon that can be run solo. There’s a place for solo players. I thought Blizz wanted to make some money. Have all levels of game play and make tons of money. That’s not hard to understand now, is it? I want to work for better gear, but I’m a solo player. There’s many of us out here. That’s life.

[Saliashra-sargeras]

Of course they do. It’s smart to hold community events featuring pros and influencers to get some outside eyes on what you’re doing.

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Krexen-korialstrasz

The end goal should be to get more people interested in running current content, and if making that path easier is the way to do so, why should it affect people who are already geared, if that’s what’s done?

I killed the first few bosses in Heroic Nathria at 186 ilvl. Covenants give 197 ilvl gear. Nobody is being kept out of M+ dungeons or raids because of gear.

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Slambang-blackwater-raiders

I’m at 196. I worked my way up to it. Would like some more solo type world quests that is a little more challenging, like a true dungeon that can be run solo.

You might. But every time Blizzard has tried this, they’re met with howls of complaints that it’s too hard.

Solo players: “We want challenging solo content!”
Blizzard: “Here’s Mage Tower.”
Solo players: “IT’S TOO HARD!!!”

Solo players: “We want challenging solo content!”
Blizzard: “Here are Horrific Visions.”
Solo players: “IT’S TOO HARD!!!”

Solo players: “We want challenging solo content!”
Blizzard: “Here’s Torghast.”
Solo players: “IT’S TOO HARD!!!”

Solo players: “We want challenging outdoor zones!”
Blizzard: “Here’s The Maw.”
Solo players: “IT’S TOO HARD!!!”

[Daark-cenarius]

@Brewa-hyjal

You might. But every time Blizzard has tried this, they’re met with howls of complaints

In addition, players complain about content like the mage tower because it doesn’t reward gear/ player power. If the solo content does reward gear/ player power, raid loggers complain about forced content…

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

@Brewa-hyjal

But every time Blizzard has tried this, they’re met with howls of complaints that it’s too hard.

Solo players: “We want challenging solo content!”
Blizzard: “Here’s Mage Tower.”
Solo players: “IT’S TOO HARD!!!”

Solo players: “We want challenging solo content!”
Blizzard: “Here are Horrific Visions.”
Solo players: “IT’S TOO HARD!!!”

Solo players: “We want challenging solo content!”
Blizzard: “Here’s Torghast.”
Solo players: “IT’S TOO HARD!!!”

Solo players: “We want challenging outdoor zones!”
Blizzard: “Here’s The Maw.”
Solo players: “IT’S TOO HARD!!!”

I’m quoting this for how true it is.

[Slambang-blackwater-raiders (Slambang)]

@Brewa-hyjal

You might. But every time Blizzard has tried this, they’re met with howls of complaints that it’s too hard.

Solo players: “We want challenging solo content!”
Blizzard: “Here’s Mage Tower.”
Solo players: “IT’S TOO HARD!!!”

Solo players: “We want challenging solo content!”
Blizzard: “Here are Horrific Visions.”
Solo players: “IT’S TOO HARD!!!”

Solo players: “We want challenging solo content!”
Blizzard: “Here’s Torghast.”
Solo players: “IT’S TOO HARD!!!”

Solo players: “We want challenging outdoor zones!”
Blizzard: “Here’s The Maw.”
Solo players: “IT’S TOO HARD!!!”

You don’t here me say that, nor will I. If I don’t like the Maw, I won’t do it. But I’ve leveled up enough that I don’t mind playing the Maw. I just don’t like walking everywhere like I did at level 1. So I kinda stay away from Maw. Let me ride a mount and I’d be in there a lot.

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Slambang-blackwater-raiders

Let me ride a mount and I’d be in there a lot.

You can get a mount from Torghast. It’s a guaranteed drop, even.

Even better, it’s solo content! Solo content that gives you a mount for solo content.

So why haven’t you done that?

[Supahotfíre-sulfuras]

Your experience isn’t representative of 5M people, even if you’re extremely self-centered.

[Saliashra-sargeras]

@Brewa-hyjal

Solo players: “We want challenging solo content!”
Blizzard: “Here’s Torghast.”
Solo players: “IT’S TOO HARD!!!”

Solo players: “We want challenging outdoor zones!”
Blizzard: “Here’s The Maw.”
Solo players: “IT’S TOO HARD!!!”

Two things:

1. It’s rarely the same people who complain about ‘wanting challenging content’ and ‘something being too hard’. Different people complain on each side.
2. Torghast and the Maw aren’t ‘too hard’, they’re badly implemented.
   The Maw removes access to all the mounts we’ve collected, has virtually no interesting rewards, and increases difficulty in ways that feel frustrating rather than challenging.
   Torghast is fun(for some), but has literally no reward structure to it that encourages poeple to actually make it the ‘thing they do in WoW’. Which is what, when people talk about challenging solo content, they usually want. They want something they can commit to to be the ‘Thing They Do in WoW’. TC is a sideshow. Do it once and never go back. Regular Torghast is an hour a week and then you’re done.

[Slambang-blackwater-raiders (Slambang)]

@Brewa-hyjal

You can get a mount from Torghast. It’s a guaranteed drop, even.

Even better, it’s solo content! Solo content that gives you a mount for solo content.

So why haven’t you done that?

Don’t laugh at me, but I don’t know what I’m supposed to do to run Torghast without a quest to do so. I’ve been in there due to quests and I like it. But as I said, how. Do I just enter and head out?

[Brewa-hyjal]

1. Enter Torghast sub-zone.
2. Open map.
3. Look for “Twisting Corridors”.
4. Enter.

https://static.icy-veins.com/images/wow/shadowlands/torghast/entrance.jpg

[Raelton-kiljaeden]

because raiders quit too?

[Saliashra-sargeras]

To get the mount, youi have to first unlock Twisting Corridors, which comes from a quest. Once you’ve completed the quest run of TC, it unlocks TC as a repeatable content. On some levels, you get a reward. The level 8(highest level) reward is a mount that can be used in the Maw. It’s an ugly mount… but it can be used in the Maw.

[Slambang-blackwater-raiders (Slambang)]

@Brewa-hyjal

• Enter Torghast sub-zone.
• Open map.
• Look for “Twisting Corridors”.
• Enter.

Thank you. I’m glad I asked. Just never knew. I gotta tell ya, I’m not the sharpest tack in the box. I’m 74 and not nearly as sharp as I once was before my heart decided to stop working 7 years ago. Something about the lack of oxygen messes with the brain.

[Raelton-kiljaeden]

the lie

@Brewa-hyjal

Solo players: “We want challenging solo content!”
Blizzard: “Here’s Torghast.”
Solo players: “IT’S TOO HARD!!!”

the truth

Solo players: “We want ways to gear solo and fun engaging things to do”
Blizzard: “Here’s Torghast.”
Solo players: “IT’S SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BORING

what’s next? player housing??

[Slambang-blackwater-raiders (Slambang)]

@Saliashra-sargeras

To get the mount, youi have to first unlock Twisting Corridors, which comes from a quest. Once you’ve completed the quest run of TC, it unlocks TC as a repeatable content. On some levels, you get a reward. The level 8(highest level) reward is a mount that can be used in the Maw. It’s an ugly mount… but it can be used in the Maw.

Thank you. That’s the best explanation I’ve seen about it yet. Good on ya.

Edit" Was just thinking, where do I get or how to I get the quest?

[Aduro-undermine]

Excuse you, it’s also to buff top performing specs and nerf middle of the pack specs.