Care to explain?
How human is a demon? or an antrmorphic boar demon?
A deer or a bear?
Also there is a difference in fighting against soldirs, or murdering civillians.
Youâre so fâing callous. You are trying to use a real word atrocity to score points in a meaningless argument in a video game forum. Itâs disgusting.
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Have to repeat myself it seems
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The fact that you canât see how wrong you are to be making the comparison speaks volumes about your character. If I have insulted you then it was deserved.
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You are taking an event that people have a real world connection to and using it to try and when a stupid debate on a forum. He night elves could all be deleted tomorrow and it still wouldnât be worth the comparison. Not only that, but you are blind to why itâs bad to use the holocaust as fodder for your dumb argument. You need to step away from the video game and have some real empathy for real people since you seems to have more for imaginary people than real people and Iâm sick of seeing it so Iâm going to keep calling you out on it.
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Does killing cartoon characters really bother you that much? I see from your profile you have 454 honorable kills. Justice must be done.
If a person is actually inspired to commit real genocide because Sylvanas gets redeemed, then donât blame the story. That person had issues to begin with.
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Dunno, man, being told to kill âas many of them as you can, because theyâre getting to comfortable and might attack usâ is kinda iffy, if you ask me. Certainly feels weird doing that against a sentient, if more primitive race.
But you get like 20 silver for it! And they donât scream like humans when you kill them, so itâs fine.
I also remember a daily quest in Wotlk where you steal like 10 children of those Wolverine people in Northrend for a guy, but that might have been a fever dream, Iâm not sure.
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Never did that, was it a Horde quest?
I donât even kill critters or mobs that I can avoid and run away⌠strange.
Never even played a âbad guysâ storyline in like swtor or something âŚ
And yes there is a difference if you kill like these Aliens from alien who try to eat you , or deamons who try to murder and currupt you. Or if you kill a father hugging his child cowering in the corner of Astranaar. AND YES THAT HAPPENED!!! I spent 10 quests to heal that childs desease before.
Perhaps you should play the DK intro quests then
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I know that quest, i found it disgusting.
It gets better. One of those kids can mail himself to you as a Childrenâs Week pet and you can use him in animal fights.
Leash? No, no, this is just aâŚsafety harness. Yeah, thatâs it.
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Itâs okay they donât look like humans!
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I have seen toddlers on a âleashâ beforeâŚ
Sylvanas died for her people. I get the idea that Blizzard is slowly worming its way back through the story to reshade every reasonable (and sometimes unreasonable) interaction to cast Sylvanas in a bad light. I personally donât think itâs really necessary with Teldrassil hanging over her, but hey, Blizzardâs done some questionable things with its narrative.
As it is, what we know about Sylvanas before death is pretty small. She was vain, but she was also a high elf in Silvermoon. It was sort of like breathing for them.
She championed Nathanos in a time when Silvermoon was at its most reclusive. I know we give the Windrunners a lot of grief (deservedly most of the time) on this forum for chasing human men, but it does speak to the idea that she didnât hold humans contemptable for the sin of not being born high elf.
I know it was my first line here, but she died for her people. She faced down the scourge and didnât flinch. The Arthas novel does a pretty good job of sketching out the horror of the scourgeâs march on QuelâThalas. Sylvanas is genuinely grief stricken when her rangers die and are raised, even if she considered them âarrows in her quiver.â
I wonât get into the more altruistic or honorable things sheâs done in undeath. This post has already gotten too lengthy for me. However, I want to emphasize that just because Blizzard has shredded this character, it doesnât mean Sylvanas was always an unredeemable tart.
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You can say that for every soldir on the planet.
That doesnât mean that every one is a good person or has no character flaws.
She died because everyone did.90% was the official lore. It was her job to fight. She had reasons to defend what was hers, property, family or whatever. Still doesnât mean he was no mafia boss or held gnomes hostage in her basement to sew clothings in slave labour.
Lor Themar called Nathanos a bully even when he was alive, so Sylvanas was into bad guys and jerks.
So no for me that doesnât seem like a real justification for her being the noble camptain silvermoon.
She might as well be homelander.
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Wasnât the original lore that Nathanos wasnât that bad of a guy when he was alive, and it was the other high elves that were complete and utter jerks to him? I thought I heard that the âNathanos was always a piece of crapâ thing was just another small retcon to wash away what was left of his character post-death.
Edit: Also Liira, youâre coming off as trying way too hard to find every little thing about Sylvanas detestable so that you can hate her utterly and completely. You donât really need to stretch this far back to try to nitpick at little things like âwell sheâs SUPPOSED to die, sheâs not special for itâ when you already have something as meaty as Teldrassil with which to hate her.
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Oh, sweet summer child, Homelander wouldnât die for anyone. Regardless, this line sort of implies youâre not really looking for a positive exchange of ideas.
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Are people really now trying to argue that what Sylvanas did wasnât that bad because a MMO has ââKill X mobsââ quests?
Thatâs⌠quite the reach, damn.
Like yeah, we have done some bad stuff as characters, but why Teldrassil was particularly bad in the context of the game was because it was one player faction doing it to the other.
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Sylvanas didnât die for someone.
She died because it was inervertable.
90% of all Highelves died there. Nothing special.
You just donât want to accept that there is an equally valid possibility Sylvanas has allways been a dispicable, bad and disgusting person. No matter her job or how she died.
Her reasons can be selfish and psychoapthic. That was the reason for my comparison.
No they just want to fight against the truth that these things were basically the same things that have been done in WW2. But by accepting that and not denying it, it would also mean they have to accept their waifu Sylvanas is basically like Hitler AND them following her.
Which make themselves dispicable persons and disgusting people because they thought it was all fine and dandy.
It is just denyal of self reflection as it would mean ackknowledging some very dark corners of their own soul and morality.
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It sounds more like youâre desperate to convince yourself that itâs impossible for her to have any redeeming qualities so that you can void yourself of any shred of sympathy for the character.
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