You literally just said you want to be able to swap covenants.
Classic>retail
Thatâs exactly what I want, I want to pick the covenant that I like for each of my classes without feeling punished for picking the wrong one, I want to log in and have fun utilizing the system blizz puts in, I donât want to log in and feel regret that Iâm using covenants purely because if I donât I wonât be able to compete at the level I know I can because I wanted to join a covenant that was cool thematically, vice versa I donât want to log in and feel like Iâm losing out on fun thematics because I was essentially pigeon holed into one covenant otherwise my character would be disadvanted in content,
Edit: I think I repeated myself here but if you have a brain you will understand what I was trying to get across
No I never?
Thatâs exclusively talking about the abilities. I never said I want to be a Venthyr and then swap to Night Fae.
You donât even know what youâre arguing over at this point.
The whole argument isnât to loosen the restrictions between swapping Covenants, itâs to pull the Covenant abilities out of the Covenant and let us pick between them while still being tied to one Covenant.
You even acknowledge this because you said only âfluffâ would be left.
Which is somewhat ironic because you said you wanted more RPG elements but then yo call transmog, soulbinds, stories, character, mounts, aesthetics, etc etc âfluffâ.
You donât want meaningful choice at all.
You just donât have a personal issue with the system so you think itâs good to go. Youâre not appreciating what itâs going to do for other players.
You wonât be punished. Just pick the ones you like. Itâll be fine, I promise.
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Yeah man, you wonât be punished for playing Affliction warlock in Mythic+ right now.
Oh, itâs fine to play a Fire mage on classic for MC.
Youâre a priest? sureeeee you can play any race you want, Dwarf Priests arenât the best.
The game totally doesnât have a history of unbalanced systems, whats that? Corruption? Oh, just pick the traits you want, itâll be fine, promise.
You donât know what youâre talking about.
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Those two things donât go hand in hand sir.
I enjoy french fries and burgers. Doesnât mean iâm going to eat McDonalds every day and say I hate it simply because I like fries and burgers.
CLEARLY you like something about BfA since youâre still here. And played every season this entire expansion.
I wont sit here and say BfA is a good expansion. Because there was a lot I disliked. But to imply its as bad as you are, with how much you actually play itâŠjust doesnât add up my guy.
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I donât judge the aff locks in my guild I bring to 15s
Thatâs because other classes carry them.
Theyâre still dead weight.
I do fine as Affliction.
Youâre talking about an outdated system thatâs been discarded in the modern era.
If I played a human priest in Classic, no oneâs going to turn me down. Who in their right mind would turn down a good healer just because they picked a certain race? People canât be that picky in Classic. Youâre also forgetting that Horde does just fine without any dwarf priests.
You actually can do that now. 
Any class that isnât a UDK is dead weight now.
Oh wait, weâre not doing +25s. Every class is viable
Well, i donât know about you, but iâm looking at the over covenant abilties here that i quoted, and iâm not seeing where it punishes you.
I could see the Kyrian one being sort of useless though, like that Garrson vendor from spires of arak, And Night Fae kinda sounds better then the Vethhyr ability, where you not only get teleport (ala Blink), but increased movement speed.
Though speaking of Venthyr teleport, i can see this one being a lot of fun to use with targeted teleport, though something tells me it will be limited via what your character âcan seeâ (Via pathing), so if theirs like a big hold in the ground and in the middle of it is a little platform, i canât simply just click on to that and be done with it if it doesnât allow me too.
Didnât Blizzard confirmed that you can change covenants but it will be pretty hard to do so?
Oh itâs no problem.
I digress on paper itâs incongruent but believe me. If I wasnât already so previously invested in WoW, and without the current pandemic, I would not be playing. BFA S1 I got gladiator just before the season ended because I could and it was easy for me, and was very little investment, and did it over a two week period during school break. BFA S2 I recognized DHDK was an overpowered comp and wanted to achieve rank 1. So yes, I played a ton. BFA S3 I got gladiator just before the season ended again, just because I could, with friends and for the FoS/mount. And now Iâm here because of a pandemic. A function of ambition, boredom, and previous investment into a game Iâve loved (and still do)!and grown up with. I just wish it was better.
I still havenât purchased shadowlands because I disagree strongly with the direction blizzard has taken with game design and the intense focus on lengthening time played instead of producing a genuinely good product. Doesnât change or denigrate my opinion (that seems widely shared) that BFA is THE worst xpac yet. I can view things from an objective lens, and arguably having a lot of playtime just lends credence to my statement.
Edit: You can see long gaps in S1 and S3 between hitting challenger/gladiator and Elite/gladiator, respectively. S2 and this season are the ones I have actively played.
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Except it wonât be fine, you will be punished, let me give you a real world example, letâs say you race cars in a series, you get to choose things you can modify your car with within the rules of the series, there are four mods and you can only choose one, here are the mods: 1 a turbocharger for your engine 2 a set of top of the line brembo brakes 3 an engine that can make 400 more horsepower than the base allowed engine each car can use 4 some cool decals to make your car look good, what you are saying is that you can choose the decals and still compete when the obvious answer is that the turbo and super chargers are good options but clearly if you donât choose the new engine then you shouldnât even bother racing
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I donât know anything about cars. But if I was a top competing NASCAR player, yeah Iâd min-max. If Iâm just trying to drive on the road to get to work, I can go with just about anything that works fine.
Too many of you think youâre NASCAR drivers.
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no, no you canât. Thereâs a pretty limited BiS list of corruptions youâd want to go.
You didnât really address any of the points I really made though, just attacked the fluff of my second post.
But since weâre talking about class balance now, I ask you to consider this.
Why is it that the worst performing specs are by far the least played?
Arcane Mage, Affliction Warlock, MM Hunter, Feral druid, Sub Rogue?
Is it
A) Theyâre not fun
B) Theyâre not optimal
I think we both know the answer to this, I encourage you to contemplate why you suddenly think Covenants will be any different.
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Except you are still missing the point, the crossover here is that everyone no matter whether itâs racing or gaming, wants to have fun and be as competitive as possible, you canât do that if you have to gimp yourself for the fun or feel bad if you choose purely min max
Umm⊠not to take your example literally⊠but whereâs the Suspension and Tires? I mean, isnât handling important to better handle corners and brake though all that? 
Also on the aesthetic side, whereâs the spoilers and paint?
Iâm heading to bed now. I will just close and say that you can pick any covenant you want. And if your guild and/or friends give you grief over it, then theyâre not good people and you should look elsewhere for true comrades. The system is fine and Iâm totally looking forward to it.
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The only people defending this seem to think that blizzard can make a fair and balanced game, the problem is that blizzard have shown through the past and 15 years that it isnât possible, which is fine to an extent as long as itâs solely the classes themselves, since the diversity of the classes and specs makes them inherently impossible to balance, but when they decide to force players into systems that are unbalanced in a major way a la bfa azerite armor, corruptions, essences, titanforging, legion legendaries and weapons, and so on and so forth. Those things have always caused discontent among the player base because they have all been unfairly unbalanced. So the player base yelling blizzard this early on that âwe see where this is heading, donât repeat your past mistakesâ is entirely needed, we donât need the few of you saying to trust blizzard they know what they are doing, when there is evidence that no, when it comes to their vision for a grand system, they donât foresee the problems it will cause and stubbornly hold onto it until they are forced to admit they could have done it differently and it would have been better.
Edit: donât take this as hate, I love this game, thatâs why Iâve invested time and money into it for 12 years, this is me trying to raise awareness to help steer the future of the game into a healthy direction, at least a little, because I want to continue to enjoy the game, I donât want to see it fall further than it has already
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