That’s called classic wow.
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I guess you think every single person who plays Classic right now is an ableist as well in that case. Since Blizzard could add flying to it and somehow that magically wouldn’t make it ableist according to what you have said so far?
No, I’m not being an ableist - I’m sick of people using disabilities as a way to excuse poor arguments and a complete lack of sense, reason, reality, or absolutely anything else that can justify one’s thoughts in this regard. All saying “but think of the disabled people” without actually thinking of them is using disabilities as a cudgel to try to shut down people.
That’s ableism.
Me responding to intellectually dishonest and bankrupt people doesn’t make me into an ableist for not being, frankly, insane.
You can replace all of this with “I don’t understand what he’s saying, basic game design, or why the Witcher 3 is one of the most enjoyable games in the history of gaming to just wander around the world to explore it.”
No, you don’t get what I have been saying since DF introduced Dragonriding (now Skyriding) and how that has massively and positively impacted the overall design of the game. Thanks to dynamic flight WoW has been able to fix one of the issues that made the game more stale for literally decades and now turned it more towards a game that rewards and encourages exploration - even if the thing you are exploring for is just a place to sit down and recharge because you messed up your vitality.
Games are a luxury product. There is nothing inherent where they need to appeal to anyone’s disabilities, but they do it anyway because they aren’t monstrous morons. But it still means that the game has to be built with the game itself in mind. You not understanding, or having any interest in game design at all doesn’t make me an ableist just because you don’t understand that I’m primarily talking about game design, and from a game design perspective because of how players use flying you have two options:
- Set an extremely low barrier to entry, simply to make it so people play the game at all, or…
- Remove the thing that made the game worse.
In Dragonflight we saw what happened when they removed it: the game got better, but people were unhappy, and the devs chose to add it back by popular demand and then the whole rhetoric around “it is a disability aid” started up.
So you can sod off for all eternity for calling me an ableist when you didn’t understand even for a half a piko milimeter what I’ve been saying, and yet you are calling me an ableist.
This has been explained to death for literally decades, and you even got an official statement from Blizzard explaining parts of it here. I’m not in the mood to explain it again to another intellectually dishonest person.
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I understand what you have stated, I just disagree that it is what is best for the game. Calling me “intellectually dishonest” and telling me to “sod off for eternity” because I disagree is one of your worst takes to date. Skyriding is great for you. That’s your opinion. You are confusing what’s great for you with what’s best for the game, and then saying to heck with people with disabilities. The game should cater to what I want, accessibility be darned. It’s not even a big ask. Steady flight already exists in the game, why not allow people to access it sooner. It’s ableist, straight up.
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Because it demonstrably makes the game worse for everyone.
Disabilities is irrelevant when the gaming experience gets worse for literally everyone because of it. So no, you don’t understand a damn thing of what I’ve been saying when you assume a bunch of stuff and then call me ableist for wanting the game to be better for everyone, including people with disabilities.
So yes, you have severely misrepresented what I have said, called me an ableist, and made up a bunch of stuff in order to justify that. So yeah… sod off.
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No, it makes the game less enjoyable for you. You are trying to qualify and quantity subjective values like “best” and “fun” based on what you like, and resorting to insults because someone disagrees. I didn’t “make up” anything to justify my point. My point is exactly this – you want the game to cater to what you like at the cost of accessibility. You are assuming what is “best” for everyone, and taking your own opinion and values you base that opinion on at face value. That is intellectually dishonest.
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If you want slow flying available on the first level up, which was uncommon even before skyriding existed, you need to come up with an argument that is both convincing, and doesn’t mention skyriding at all. Because the requirement to level to max at least once to slow fly isn’t new. It’s a feature of patch 2.0.
And, as far as I can tell, no arguments that meet that requirement have been posted by anyone.
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lol…unbelievable…literally.
No friend, it doesnt., this game is objectively better for ALL of us with steady flight and has been and you know it because you used old flight for years yourself.
really…because ION says steady flight is here in part of accessibility…and Ion and crew gave a list of new accessibility settings for new flight as well.
You seem to be pushing a ‘you’ agenda on all of this.
no…it doesnt. He used old flight for years and loved it…we all did
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Yes. Including all the previous times you had to level to max once to be able to use it, and the few expansions where you couldn’t use it at all below max level.
Requiring you to level to max to unlock slow flying is not abnormal, and has been true for 90% of expansions where it’s existed.
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WOW…you disabled folk hearing this? Toss down those canes, park those wheelchairs…stop using your disabiliites ‘to excuse’ yourselves from being able to do what this guy can do.
Too bad for you that BLIZZARD …ION…says old flight is here to stay for ACCESSIBILITY and added accessibility settings for new flight as well.
Given this is blizzards game…I think we’ll all accept THEIR opinions in the matter, thanks
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Personally I don’t think flight in any respect should be available until max level. But if flight must be available, then both modes should be made available at the same time.
My response to the argument regarding the fact that this has not been done before is to see argumentum ad antiquitatem, also known as the appeal to tradition, which is an informal logical fallacy. That fact that something has been done a certain way before is actually not a basis for continuing to do it. There must be a foundational reason underneath that.
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Bro I thought I was going crazy here. I just learned I was having fun the wrong way.
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Its projection. Its just another word they use to try to stifle any opposition to their views. been happening out in the real world for some years now. Just ignore it and present the facts.
Facts such as what Ion has said himself about steady flight in the video I provided last evening.
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honestly, its gets kind of disgusting when the able bodied try to pretend disabled folk are faking, which is what many of them have said in these threads.
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Great point. I guess by his argument anyone that gets ANY help from other players is in the wrong.
again…irrelevant.
we had ONE kind of flight back then and everyone had to do the same work for it.
Now one small group of players cant handle skyriding …and we know this factually because blizzard themselves gave us a list of accessbilitiy settings…and Ion himself said that steady flight is there for accessibility…even if some here keep pretending it wasnt proven beyond argument last evening.
Well that second group has to WORK for the flight they need while you and the rest of us dont have to do anything for our preferred flight.
I really love how yourself and others just ignore the very thing you demanded for evidence just a few hours before so you can keep arguing ANY point you can drudge up to keep an argument going.
then skyriding should require exactly the same work
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Which they have given. Static flying (in the eyes of the developers) does not enhance the questing experience the same way skyriding does. Its most common use is to precision skip over world design with little to no effort, and without being its own form of content.
Seeing them talk about it, if they had the tech to do skyriding in 2007, that’s what we would have gotten in burning crusade.
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lol…“can you not talk about the facts so my illogical nonsense can pretend to be valid?”
No…we cant…and its very clear why you are now trying to make demands like this to control the narrative. Sorry but discussions dont cater to your views or whims.
THEN we had one kind of flight…the work was the same for all of us.
NOW we have two flight modes…and now one group who cant handle the freebie mode of flight has to do work for the flight they CAN handle.
For PARITY…a word blizzard USED to remove PF requirements before…BOTH flight modes should require the exact same work.
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So you’re saying that in an alternate 11.0 patch where skyriding doesn’t exist, you’re perfectly fine with the current slow flying unlock requirements?
What Im saying is precisely what I said in a number of posts.
youre the one who didnt even know Ion said steady flight was also there for accessibility, so forgive me if your lack of knowledge and obvious agenda here isnt impressive.
This was very clearly stated.
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So it’s only the “I can’t do something I like, so you shouldn’t be able to either” argument?
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Yes, I have continued to read this thread, and I have seen what people have written. I just shake my head and smile. There once was a time when I was not disabled, now I am. It strikes without warning sometimes, and sometimes you do know it is coming. In all situations it can be horrible to not be what you once were, or to not be like “everyone else”.
Asking for there not to be special requirements put on unlocking steady flight seems like it is a small ask.
Being told the history and how it has always been this way does nothing to convince me that it should continue on this way. My response is, “SO?”
I do not understand why there cannot be both kinds of flight from the beginning. Why make the choice to lock any kind of flight behind any gate?
A game that can invent delves and follower dungeons has to carry on with a Pathfinder? Why?
We tolerate boosts and paid runs - why? Are those not just ways for some players to get ahead faster than if they played the game the way everyone else does?
No Pathfinder is a very small ask. It really is.
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