Use a ground mount…
How exactly did you people survive pre-Dragonflight lol?
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Being able to slow fly while leveling your first character is very much the exception in wow’s history (in that we’ve only had it once, out of the 10 expansions where flying has existed).
In the other 9, the process of unlocking it required a max level character.
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OP said they can’t unlock steady flight because of skyriding. Did everyone forget that ground mounts exist or something?
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We were all on grounds mounts until max level, and Skyriding did not exist. Not only that, but zones were not designed around flying at over 800% speed. This means that zones were smaller too.
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I’m not trying to comment on the accessibility issue here, but making that claim (that skyriding is why they can’t unlock steady flying) requires either some historical revisionism, intellectual dishonesty, or both.
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Nothing gives someone permission to be rude, but we’re human beings. If someone calls me “ableist” for clearly laying out what’s possible for someone claiming they are incapable of something, I’m going to be rude. What patience should I have for someone like that?
You want respect from someone you won’t show it to.
Did Shady defend gatekeeping disabled people, or are you assuming that’s his goal because he doesn’t agree Pathfinder needs to be changed on the basis of that alone?
Seems to me his reason for the defense isn’t related to disabled folks at all.
Is it ableist to build a treehouse without an elevator?
WoW is a privilege, not a right. It does not need to make every feasible accommodation to be acceptable. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t push for accessibility, but resorting to “ableist” is intellectually bankrupt.
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Ok, so /thread.
What’s the issue? Use a ground mount lol.
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I don’t think flying is why zones were smaller in older zones, I think that’s related to the tech at the time.
Bigger zones require more storage for assets, and more processing power for more things that happen in the zones.
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I do understand the frustration of having a feature that not everyone (though most people are able to) can access and participate in without some major revisions to how they play. For some, it’s outright impossible to use Skyriding. That is why alternatives exist.
Is normal flight’s access arbitrarily locked? Yeah, I feel that it is and always have, especially now that Skyriding is the standard. Still, normal flying is simple enough to unlock in TWW. Ground mounts still exist and the terrain can be relatively easily navigated on foot.
But they have added accessibility options to Skyriding in the past. Hopefully they continue to do so going forward so more people can enjoy it despite whatever limitations they have.
Being rude is the domain of a child. It’s a poor look for you, an adult, who has made your own choice to be rude and then places the responsibility for your own behavior on someone else. I called your attitude ableist because it was. Or should I assume that it’s only human to get angry about being called out? What about me? Should I be rude to you because you are rude? Would you enjoy that or would you rather I behave like an adult? If you can’t disagree with someone without being rude, remove yourself from the discussion.
Yes, I think Shadybolt’s responses are ableist. He does not like static flying because some players use it hover over events, as is their prerogative, instead of participate. He would rather force people to participate in dead content such as Community Feasts to serve his own personal enjoyment-- which wouldn’t have the intended effect anyway as the lazy folks would then not show up at all – instead of say, “You know what, giving people steady flight right out of the gate is more accessible.” You can’t claim to advocate for more accessibility and then defend someone for defending game design that is less accessible than possible.
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Since we’ve clearly established that steady flying being locked on your first leveling path has been the norm for 90% of the game’s history, can you make an argument to break that which doesn’t mention skyriding at all?
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You don’t get to high ground me when you’ve been doing it willfully. You’re doing it in this post.
You’re even resorting to calling me ableist now, because you lack the rhetorical chops to do anything but.
Ad hominem is a far greater sin than condescension and a crass demeanor, and I will stand by that statement to my death.
Then argue that, instead of calling two people ableist purely on the grounds of “if you disagree with me you must be against disabled people.”
I don’t agree with Shady. I just can’t stand people who hide behind humorless attacks on character when they have nothing of value to add to an argument.
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No such thing as “ableist” within the video game space. Not every aspect of a game is made for every person, nor should it be, and not every video game is made for every person, nor should they be.
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You say this not only after having committed it, but then you commit it again:
Take a break and chill out.
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Why sell boosts then? Why allow people to be boosted through all content then?
Why not force players to RP walk until they finish the campaign, then? Auto attack only, too!
There’s really no logical reason to put static flying behind an achievement. You have skyriding from the gate, nothing should be required for static flying. Blizzards arguments on ‘why no flying’ until max are moot when you can skyride at the start.
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I’m plenty chill.
That is not ad hominem. It is the reason people resort to it.
Are you going to respond to the core of what I’ve said to you?
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Even before pathfinder, the norm was for static flight to require a max level character to unlock.
I don’t know about you, but I much prefer giving it to the player for free after they finish a questline they had to do anyways rather then asking them to fork over some gold for every character.
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No, Snowpine, I don’t want to have a conversation with you right now while you aren’t actually chill.
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You have freedom of association. You can place me on ignore any time, but if you ever decide to rethink calling two people ableist as a kneejerk reaction, feel free to tell me.
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This is the first time this silly topic is going on well AFTER they already made the changes, lol.