She used to Forsaken to help them back in BC, it’s the whole reason they are Horde right now.
I get Delaryn, she was literally created by the story team for this arc.
But Sira was just kind of a leftover throwaway character from Legion that they threw back into the story because someone at HQ said “Dark Warden” and it sounded cool.
If you talk to Sira, she tells you that the new Dark Rangers all have their reasons for accepting the gift, but she also refuses to elaborate on her own reasons.
LAzy writing because why the hell would you join the people that caused you displeasure in the first place.
Someone killed your family and burned them, you going to join them after death?
No, it’s stupid.
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And yet in the warfront she shows up as a miniboss only. She serves no purpose but to be something to do while taking down the ‘gate’ effectively. So yeah…
This conversation must have been the same person who said ‘Fel warden’ was cool and destroyed Cordana Felsong. I’m waiting for a ‘Void warden’ traitor next… ![:roll_eyes:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/roll_eyes.png?v=6" ":roll_eyes:")
Well to be fair it does sound kind of cool
Was it ever elaborated on why Cordana betrayed us?
Yes, basically she had lost all faith in Azeroth based on what she’d seen Khadgar do on AU draenor. She’s an Ideology/Conscience betrayal as best I can tell. I still think that one was weak too, but then again traitors are traitors, if we understood their thought process we’d be the same.
What did Khadgar do in AU Draenor to upset her? Sorry I barely played WoD.
Nor did I, but my understanding is he was extremely ruthless. I can’t elaborate as I didn’t play it very much.
I can understand feeling betrayed by Elune, but that is not enough to turn her back on her own people that she died defending and now trying to kill them. It’s just terrible story telling, as has been said.
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please remember reanimation into undeath warps people’s perception. Add to the idea that Sylvanas might be mind controlling them.
It’s only stupid if you ignore the story and lore of the undead generally in the Warcraft universe. It’s a fact that nearly all who are animated into undeath rise and join together with other undead afterwards. The number of individuals who rise and retain any major part of who they were before hand is extraordinarily few and far between.
Death is a cosmological force on par with the other great forces, and when it’s powers of necromancy get into you, you change… not just physiologically, but mentally and emotionally.
And it makes sense anyway, the undead are viewed as monsters by the living. When you rise, you know you are going to be seen as an unnatural abomination by anyone you may have previously been involved with before. As a logical and efficient matter of survival, your only real hope for continuing on is to cease your previous allegiances and band together with others now like you against them.
That’s the common core of everything undead in the Warcraft universe, regardless of where you came from before that.
If reanimation truly warps their perceptions, then it has never truly been free will to begin with. Not if they don’t get to make their choices based on their previous character before dying.
Even then however, doesn’t she at some point mention that she willingly allowed herself to be raised? So before her perceptions had a chance to be warped, she was making the choice, will still makes it feel like poorly implemented storytelling.
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Case in point, Thomas Zelling. He was brought back as Forsaken and left to rejoin his family, they shunned him calling him a monster and he lashed out with void magic nearly killing them. He managed to rein it in but the damage was done.
Don’t forget, you judge time in relation to your history. Each year seems like it goes by faster because you’re comparing it to 20 years before, instead of 19.
To the Night Elves, they’re looking at thousands of years of culture and history gone in a few days, while they watch.
Even the younger Elves are probably a couple of hundred years old at least. Those born after the War of the Ancients have lived with this culture and known nothing else for longer than our own cultures have EXISTED.
This would be like if Ancient Rome was still around today, it’s culture largely unchanged, but still managing to be a superpower (so Rome with a modern army but their old culture) and still being run by the same Caesar.
And all of that vanishes in a day.
This has happened to the Night Elves three times.
Sargeras managed to escape our wrath for ten thousand years, then got hauled back like the little twit he was and smacked around by Illidan.
Archimonde lasted some thirty seconds.
Sylvanas would be gone by now if it weren’t for her plot armor.
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I’m not counting on much storyline out of this as Sira and Delaryn are commanders in the Darkshore Warfront and I can’t determine if they die (again) there or get out in a semblance of functional.
You really believe you would have stood a ghost of a chance against the Dark Titan? The only reason he’s sealed away now is because we managed to rescue the other Titans and barely defeat the Argus World Soul to allow them a chance to do so.
We still don’t know if Illidan is fighting Sargeras or standing at the door pointing and laughing.
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Sira is, I don’t believe Delaryn is as she shows up only to die (again) on the current warfront set.
Exactly.
There’s a difference between free will and altered perceptions.
Non-demonic forces that drink demon blood and get infused with Fel still have free will, even if the power of that magic radically alters the way they think and feel. They aren’t being mind controlled. Mind control in the context of the Warcraft universe is something very different.
And undeath is no different.
Beyond, the cosmological domains aren’t subordinate to one another, Death and Life are opposed domains but equivalent. From a detached perspective, to think that a person when empowered by the Life domain with natures magic coursing through them is the standard is a bias of the living. You as an entity are impacted and affected by any of the cosmology magics and forces, they all alter you, and Life is only but one of many. To say that undeath in its alteration of you as a being is “controlling” you, is to admit that the Life magic that infused you prior was also controlling you.
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Actually she was the leading voice in allowing the Sin’Dorei to join the Horde.