Honestly I play it a lot like a hunter. You can absolutely murder DH. The kiting is a lot of fun. You don’t kite anything as a warrior. If anything you would be more accurate in describing it as a feral Druid with range.
Also that does sounds like a good survival spec I would be down to see that in game.
Sure, but those aspects are traits of a ranged Hunter, not a melee Hunter. Back in its original implementation in Legion, that didn’t exist. It was exclusively melee, and the people who liked that are now disappointed that Blizzard is giving it so many ranged abilities.
Thank you though. TBH I think Waylay was the best implementation to the class, in particular to SV who had stronger traps, in a long long time. I do not understand why it was removed. It was such an interesting and intuitive mechanic, where not only did it encourage the Hunter to use traps as traps rather than just ground targeted instant abilities, but it allowed damage traps to be used in raids when Waylay could take effect while making them not strong enough to be used otherwise (meaning you didn’t have to clunkily weave immolation/explosive/etc. trap into your rotation).
You could still kite in legion. Especially offensive cd you had to. I love where it’s at now and I honestly love the KC we’ve gotten. Throwing bombs feels nice and crunchy. Waiting for a 10 venom stack the. Harpoon into them and smack tf out of someone. I just love it and I think it’s a shame a lot of people don’t like it. It is nice however being a unicorn out in the world. Not often you see a good survival hunter
I also agree that it sucks we had to lose ranged survival. As that was one of my favorite hunter specs since BC I always played it even when it wasn’t that good. I hope they give it to us back. Especially with how you described it. I think my main gripe is pro ranged survival are just so toxic to anyone who like me loves MSV. Maybe it’s a hairpin reaction because you lost something you love for something you don’t like. Just remember we didn’t make the changes. It wasn’t my idea to delete survival. I’m just fortunate that MSV clicked with me. Reminds me of my old feral. I love it and would be sad to see it replaced.
At least in my case, I don’t mind the people who are just like “I like melee SV.”, but a lot of the time you see people say that and then also say “I’m glad ranged SV is gone.” or “Ranged SV sucked.” or “Ranged SV isn’t coming back so shut up about it.”. Those are the people I have a problem with, and if the “I like melee SV, but it’d be cool if ranged SV was brought back too” crowd involves themselves in the discussion, and incidentally take the side of those who argue against ranged SV’s return, then I will argue against them just as I argue against those who truly hate the Hunter class and the idea of ranged Survival being brought back (people like Darkeforge).
Before SV was changed to melee you had people that wanted a melee Hunter spec. They were few and far between, but they existed. I didn’t have a problem with the idea of a new spec that would be melee, but I didn’t want to see us lose one of the specs we already had just to appease that minority of people. In fact, if ranged SV was brought back, and melee SV was allowed to come into its own, I might actually enjoy it and play it every now and then. But at this point it isn’t “A new melee Hunter spec” it is just “The spec that replaced/deleted Survival”.
Glad you’re showing your ignorance once again. If you weren’t lazy, you’d see I’ve clearly stated in the not so distant past that I would have zero issue with them bringing back ranged SV as a 4th spec.
This would be just one of those points I’ve said about kicking a dead horse. Because you come late to the party and act like you know all of the discussions that have happened before just makes you ignorant and doesn’t reflect on me.
So then why are you always whining? You aren’t just commenting on it as a reaction. As has been shown, you are inciting the discussion yourself, and then whining about the discussion taking place. Why would you incite a discussion that you don’t want to exist? Furthermore, how can you say this:
And think that any reasonable person wouldn’t interpret that as an opposition to bringing back ranged SV?
How many times do I need to say this for it to sink in? Because these people have literally been whining about this for FOUR YEARS. Just because you weren’t here doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, and frankly it’s beyond tiring at this point.
And? There is no problem with people wanting something for a long time. People have wanted EotB back for a long time. There were even some Hunters who wanted a melee Hunter spec for a long time. Nothing wrong with maintaining a position of wanting something changed, especially when that changed would only be a positive change for all parties involved. There is no reason for you to oppose such a change, and as such instead of being opposed to those wanting that change you should be supporting them… if I am to take you at your word at least.
Also, you have been a contrarian whiner for years as well. Again, I remember you from before, back when I was still subscribed, so don’t think that I buy that you just popped up in response to them wanting ranged SV back for four years. You’ve been at it a long time as well.
But if it is tiring, then why not stop responding to it? If merely seeing it is tiring for you, then responding to it every single time it is brought up must be absolutely exhausting.
You can’t control what others do on the Internet. You can’t control other people, period.
However, you can control what you read. You can control what content you willingly interact with.
You control your Internet experience.
An entirely different thing from attempting in vain to control others’ actions.
It takes some serious re-training on your part, but in the end it’s worth it. I’ve trained myself to ignore the content that I absolutely hate. And I’ve since seen a huge difference in my enjoyment on the Internet.
Like I said. It’s that simple… but it’s not easy to do. Worthwhile, though!
It’s ironic that you’ve turned out to be nothing more than a liar. This character was created in BFA, and only leveled to get reps to unlock the alliance races. My previous forum character was on horde and had a completely different name. In short, you don’t remember me and you literally just made that up in order to straight up lie.
I don’t buy it. You have 5 full clears of Mythic Blackrock Foundry which is WoD content. But you have 7 kills of only Darmac and Thogar. That implies you were bringing this toon is as an alt for those particular bosses, rather than just running full clears of the instance for whatever reason. I doubt anyone who is level capped would need help with just those two bosses.
You also have full clears of Highmaul and Hellfire Citadel. Yet you have zero raid progress in any other raids. Why does this toon that was created in BfA only for grinding reputation for allied races have so many boss clears of only WoD raids? Neither the Proudmoore Admirality nor The 7th Legion require these raids.
Also, why would you be posting on this toon if they are just a means to an end of earning reputation? Why would you change from your main? Why should I believe you now when you have lied through your teeth multiple times in just the last few days?
Because when the new forums started this was the one it started on? And now I need to justify using some alt for running old raids for transmog to some twit on the forums? Do you see any actual content run on this toon for BFA? Are you really that daft?
I ran Black Temple on it three times too, better call the TBC police…
p.s. I do enjoy the irony of you commenting on my random alt while posting on a random 110. Sadly, the irony is probably lost.
p.p.s. You claimed to know me, go ahead and name my forum name then… go on, I’ll wait… or do you want to save us the time and just admit you lied?
You don’t need to justify anything. I just won’t believe you, because, as I’ve said, you’ve already lied multiple times, and I trust my own memory more than I trust you.
Why would I remember your name exactly? That was years ago and you were just a troll. How about this though; tell me the name of your horde toon and we will see if you were trolling the Hunter forums with that toon as your avatar. We can’t go to the old forums, but we can still use google to find the pages that used to exist.
The return of RSV could be in the form of a 4th spec.
Problem solved…
Yes!
Where did he/she say that they should change a spec from range to melee? (or vice versa)
Exactly.
/thumbsup
You can “exit” whenever you want…
Wrong.
That is what he does yes.
People can post whatever they want about the class here.
But if they make claims of objective matters towards a particular spec/part of the class, such as current SV, then it’s perfectly in line with the topic if we join in to counter and/or support any such arguments/claims.
If all they did was posting a reply/new thread where they say “I like MSV.” then that’s simply their opinion and nothing else. It’s not up to me or anyone else to counter that opinion.
But what you’re leaving out here, is that most who post something along the lines of that, they also add to said “praise” by saying things like “It’s so much better now as a melee spec” or “Finally it has gone back to it’s roots” or similar.
Those bonus comments, open their opinion up for discussion of objectivity. When we in such cases post something, it’s not to refute their opinion but it’s about their claim of objectivity which is invalid/untrue.
I cannot speak for what Blizz would do in the case of a return of the spec, but…
…how about something like below(link)?
The design is based partially on all iterations of RSV we saw in the past. With some new additions/changes to make it better fit the modern design of classes/specs.
That’s okay. Still a little simple. I think if quick shot could be worked around to kinda like DK fester or something? Maybe it spreads black arrow dmg to enemies in the area. If no enemies in the area maybe it splinters and causes a stackable low damage bleed? Also it needs some cc maybe bring back tranquilizing shot? Or scatter. Idk I like the ideas but with all this being said I think I’d still play MSV it just feels good and requires a lot from the player.
No change will make everyone happy. Its just, I would call it - Life’s balance. To add something you need to take it from something else.
I would also add, there isn’t as many thread on it really, a lot simply turn into it because the same folks comes in to argue about it.
How to put it, in a non devs / art way…
Current Survival is a plant in your garden. Its there among the many other plants. Sometimes you’ll cut a branch or something to alternate it so it fits more with others. Not much work, its already there and all you need is to tend it.
Adding Ranged Survival as a 4th, well thats adding a new plant to the already crowded garden! You need to move others, find the right spot, grow it so that it eventually fit the others… overall more work on the long run.
That said, not saying it would look ugly or anything, it would work and fit… but require a lot more.
There’s more than just “Adding” a spec to the game, there’s lot more things that need to be worked on behind the scene. Even more if none of its original data was archived or saved properly.
I’m glad people still talk about RSV. You’re just wasting your time telling people to move on. If Blizzard says there was a “demand for melee hunter” that I never even saw, then surely the constant RSV threads will do something eventually.
All of these hurtles to bringing back ranged SV were just as much hurtles to adding melee SV. Plus, ranged SV already has a fanbase, already has a well defined fantasy, already has existed in the game for over a decade, and already has those 10+ years of experience in designing and balancing it. Every hurtle to bringing back ranged SV is lower than those same hurtles were for adding in melee SV, yet they did that anyway.
Using these sorts of arguments against ranged SV as a fourth spec only discredit the position of originally adding melee SV to begin with even more.
Ranged SV was the plant that was yanked out of your garden by your neighbor, who then proceeded to plant their own plant in its place. Then that neighbor insulted you and told you that you couldn’t possibly replant your old plant in a different area of the garden because their plant is already planted in your garden.