I’m pretty sure if they released a ranged surv it would be just like mm and bm just with explosive shot and black arrow and some sorta charged energy regen shot. Snoooooze.
Later this year, I will remind you that you said this, and it’s been less than 4 years.
Sorry but most of us don’t just herp derp around to new specs every patch. Perhaps you like a game where every spec constantly changes at a fundamental level so contrarian trolls can tell everyone how much their favorite spec sucked, but most people pick a class because they like the class. If the specs in that class are, not just ‘changed’ but deleted, then that is bad for the game. How is this such a mystery to some people? Removing specs is bad. If you want to add new specs that play completely differently from the ones that already exist, you don’t need to delete old specs to do it.
Uh, requesting that ranged SV return is both of those things though. It will allow Blizzard to make melee SV focus on just being melee, and it will improve the Hunter class by giving it back ranged SV. This is a suggested change that will improve a current spec and improve a current class. I see literally no reason to oppose it. Do you have an actual reason as to why ranged SV shouldn’t be brought back as a fourth spec?
Also, Eyes of the Beast hasn’t existed for MUCH longer than ranged SV. People had been asking for that back for way longer. Where were you then whining about them asking for it back? Why didn’t you tell them to not ask for it back since it had been gone for 4+ years? Oh, and look, Blizzard is bringing EotB back. In fact, one of the primary purposes of SL is to bring back things that were removed in the past. What even is your argument? “Stop asking for ranged SV back because haha you lost your favorite spec neener neener neener!”?
Guys look. A rogue player that hates the Hunter class is telling us dumb Hunter players how bad ranged Survival is and how unfun it is to play. Surely we should listen with great intent to their wise and totally educated opinion on the matter.
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They are slowly putting in old RSV stuff into MM, since both spec were similar back then.
Side note, best to ignore the crusaders, pointless to reply.
Why do you even post on these forums if you don’t play Hunter? Why are you on here? Just to whine about people who give feedback as to how to improve the game? Where were you when all of the Eyes of the Beast ‘crusaders’ were posting about wanting that back? How is anyone supposed to interpret you as anything but a troll?
Do you even know what black arrow and explosive shot did? They immediately gave MM black arrow and explosive shot talents that were absolutely nothing like their iterations in SV.
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Everyone keeps asking for data, idk how this helps but here it is. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/b/bc/Data_takes_the_stand.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121210231711&path-prefix=en
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All in all I’m glad I don’t have to crawl to the forums to whine every day like some of these folks and their love button lackies lol.
So many opinions voiced as if they are factual. I enjoy it. I appreciate the opinions but some of you are just so obnoxious.
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I don’t understand why people feel so threatened by the idea that some people like to post on forums, or like to give feedback about a game. If you don’t want to read it, then don’t read it. But don’t complain that people post on the forums which are meant to be posted on. If you have nothing to contribute to the discussion apart from insulting people for merely posting on a forum, then why bother posting at all?
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Agreed why keep posting to whine?
If you don’t like me telling you to stop crying just don’t read it and use the same logic.
I help you my friend.
Edit: the only insulting thing about these threads are the same group that tell every happy player they are wrong with their opinions along with a bunch of quotes and paragraphs vomiting into the forum. That’s the true insult.
I’m sorry for your loss
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I’m not calling anyone dumb. However your ready comprehension could use some work. All I’m saying is that if they did add a 4th spec that was ranged survival or just switched melee survival back it would most likely just be as brain dead and boring as MM and BM. Since it seems like blizzard really doesn’t have any interesting ideas for BM and MM in many expansions. I’m kinda on your side. Our only difference is I like survival right now. Cheers baby girl we on the same team 
Do you understand the difference here? You were not involved in this discussion, nor were you interested in it. But you barged in exclusively to insult those involved in it.
On the other hand, I was already a part of the discussion that you barged in on, and you were directly addressing me as well as others who were posting within it. Me responding to your comment which was directed at me in a discussion I am involved in is different from you responding to a post which had nothing to do with you nor were you actually interested in providing a relevant response to.
It’s not like this discussion was about you, nor was anyone directly insulting you. So why barge in just to insult the people involved without even providing your opinion on the actual subject matter?
Sorry but when the opinion is “New SV is the best! You shouldn’t be allowed to have the old deleted ranged SV back because neener neener neener.” then yes I will tell them that their opinion is wrong. It isn’t wrong because they like Warrior+Pet Survival. It is wrong because now, for no reason, they oppose bringing back ranged Survival, while they mock and insult people who just want back the old SV which was deleted.
The insult here is the apparent mass ignorance of what is even happening on these forums. One party wants back that which was unreasonably taken away, at no cost to any other party. The other party just wants to taunt and mock anyone in the former party just because. How do people not understand this?
I’ll agree that the Hunter class design has waned a fair bit in the last few xpacs. Cata and MoP were the strongest xpacs in terms of class and spec design for Hunters. That said, that is a problem that should also be resolved, and it cannot be resolved while Blizzard is essentially cosplaying Survival as a warrior spec. If SV was restored as a fourth spec, and they essentially just copy pasted the gameplay from Cata or MoP, then that would serve as a huge boost towards getting the Hunter class back on track. Returning Survival is the fastest way to solve so many problems, without causing any problems. So why are so many people opposed to it?
Also, I’d suggest not behaving so pretentiously towards those whose side you claim to be on. It sends mixed signals.
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Honestly, the only argument I’ve ever seen put forward against a fourth spec for Hunters is from Azagorod.
He argues that it would eat up too much resources for Blizzard to justify the fourth spec.
Which… a reasonably fair argument. But for some reason, that argument rarely gets thoroughly debated.
Again, he’s the only poster who actually bothers to bring up an argument. The rest of the pro-MSV crowd, like Spinnerdh has said, seems to prefer to mock the pro-RSV crowd without offering an opinion on why they feel a fourth spec is a bad idea.
Again: RSV coming back is a win-win situation for everybody. Why rail against that?
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Sorry the wall of text crit me. Time to step away from the interwebs friend.
I hope you find happiness.
For the record it’s been pretty heavily agreed with the 4th spec ranged surv would be welcomed. Happiness to all! But here with are with the hundredth forum thread of arguments.
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Indeed. That is the only argument I could actually see to have some merit. But the thing is… it could literally be used to argue against any and all content, updates, changes, etc… So long as Blizzard doesn’t directly tell us their internal numbers, we have no way of precisely knowing whether any change was or would be beneficial. We have to rely on our own numbers, which pretty clearly spell out that the loss of SV was a large blow to the Hunter playerbase.
That said, bringing back ranged SV would be an incredibly little amount of work compared to an entirely new class, and would barely me more work than all the changes made to melee SV since Legion. Furthermore, its returns are likely to be much greater than virtually any piece of new original content of similar effort. They already know what abilities the spec would use. They already know what talents the spec could have. There is already code in place to allow a fourth spec; druids. There is already an assurance of positive player reception due to the spec existing in the past and having been very popular. 90% of the work required to bring it back is already done.
Furthermore, Blizzard already green lit the change to go from ranged SV to melee SV, which required much more effort than returning ranged SV would take and had a much lower likelihood of positive returns. Yet they still did it.
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I don’t disagree with anything you said but a lot of talents need to become baseline
Exactly i just want my spec i enjoy back. Im having to search alternative classes i didnt really play much cause i had home. Elemental been my kind of new home, im also gonna try out outlaw, vulpera pirate. Truth is i dont mind melee, but so many other classes can do it with better themes. I also dont mind keeping msv but i want my pre wod rsv back so i can come back home.
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Well, he’s playing BM and MM so, by definition…he has moved on.
All of us who are still playing have moved on. Those who quit have done so as well.
But that doesn’t mean that we can’t voice our opinions on what we want to see return to the game.
Or do you equate “moving on” to “no longer thinking about it/talking about it at all”?
Yeah…do you know what the purpose with these forums is? One purpose is for us to provide feedback.
Or, you know…they could return the spec to us as a playable option.
That would cause all of this to go away.
Yeah, the intended design of specs in the modern game allows for a little more depth than that.
That is usually what his posts are hinting at yes.
And yet, you keep coming back here with your…posts…on the matter.
It would depend on who you ask.
The base concept/theme of the old RSV was about DoTs and traps.
A theme which would naturally have evolved to focus even more on this in the modern day.
RSV could easily have been made into a spec with a strong capability of building up/managing DoTs, even on multiple targets at once.
That concept, even in it’s most basic form, would have more depth and would require more thought and planning than for example BM or MM(their respective base designs).
Add modern talent design and interactions to that and…yeah.
Exactly.
Oh, he isn’t the only one. Far from it.
All parts of development requires resources in the form of time/manpower/money etc. etc.
It’s a matter of evaluating whether said resources, if spent, are worth it.
Also…
“Too much time”, what are the qualifiers serving as measurements for this? What is considered “too much time” ?
And besides, considering all the time and resources put into current SV over the past expansions…I find that argument to fall short. Not to mention the time and effort put into SV over the years prior to Legion. And so on…
Yep, and until it actually comes back…more will most likely appear in the future.
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No it isn’t; they already do it for other classes.
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What part of this has been beaten to death for four straight years are you having trouble trying to comprehend? Just because you weren’t here, and are frankly too lazy to look for yourself, doesn’t mean we haven’t kicked this stone enough. Frankly we’re tired of having to read the same paragraphs anytime someone tries to discuss SV, because the same people show up and turn it into this.
By the way, again, Bepples has vehemently argued for removing MSV. People who post here frequently have seen said arguments. Again, you being too lazy to look for yourself doesn’t negate what’s been said. Meaning, my thick skull is just fine, your laziness however…
This is my only complaint. I don’t care that people voice their opinions about a spec coming back, or not for that matter. What kills me is when someone genuinely asks about MSV and every time it gets turned into a “Or just bring back RSV blah blah blah”.
Unless it’s a topic about RSV, just let the MSV posts stay MSV…
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