Being melee makes it so much less versatile that it makes it totally abandoned in PvE content. SV Hunters themselves admit this. I know it’s fun to throw around nice-sounding words like “versatility” when describing Survival but it doesn’t work.
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I don’t care what you suggest or what you think of my posts. You’re an anonymous voice on the internet and if you never posted again I literally wouldn’t notice.
Saying that someone needs to stand up for Blizzard’s choices is nonsense, period. They can try and defend their own bad choices.
Yes, indeed you are wrong here. MM doesn’t have all the aspects of ranged Survival; it doesn’t even have very many of them, let alone most. You get extremely watered-down versions of Serpent Sting, Explosive Shot, and Lock and Load as weak talents with 0 of the interaction between them that ranged SV had. No Serpent Spread, no Black Arrow, no Trap Mastery or Entrapment. Add to that the baseline elements for MM that don’t fit ranged SV’s identity because, at it turns out, they were distinct. SV Hunters weren’t running around casting Aimed Shot. Also, believe it or not, people who played ranged SV were looking forward for improvements and evolution on the spec’s style and theme; that’s totally ruled out by this “placeholder talent in MM” approach.
These aren’t just little changes made over time like those to every other spec. That’s a lazy false equivalency. The playstyle and identity of ranged Survival ceases to exist.
“You have to be a bit flexible” is yet another weak defense of Blizzard by attempting to shift the burden to the player. No, Blizzard has to be less terrible at class design. It shouldn’t be up to the players to make up for Blizzard’s failings. Your ardent defense for them on the forums doesn’t cover for them nearly as well as you think it does.
It’s not even 5% of what we wanted. It isn’t a concession. It’s a fraction of the bare-minimum effort required to address the issue. It’s giving the melee zealot crowd everything they want while screwing the people who played the spec for years. Notice how every suggestion of “compromise” puts the entire burden on the ranged players while the melee lovers keep all. You think it’s a fair compromise because you’re a melee fanatic who benefits from this.
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Melee Survival was a direct result of the Spec Identity design philosophy, and by most measures, it was the most dramatic failure of class design in the history of wow.
After all of the comments about rolling back Spec Identity design, it would be mind-boggling if they decided to keep it melee.
Unfortunately, what we’re going to get is probably going to be some Frankenstein spec that succeeds in ruining Survival for everybody. The only people who will play it will be contrarians. These people will eventually come to these forums and tell the rest of us (melee and ranged SV mains) that we need to get over it and let go of the past. Hybrid hunters are the best spec ever. They will say there are plenty of ranged and melee classes, so we should play them. Then they will tell the melee people that the hunter was always a hybrid, and that’s what it was meant to be all along.
I actually think this is how it will play out. It’s going to be an interesting four or five years for Hunters.
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Changing your spec to survival and saying that doesn’t make it that SV hunters says so.
xD
Your personally opinion, its doing good and rising in 8.3.
Ironic, since you’re also nothing more than an anonymous voice on the internet. Every other single person who posts on these forums are just as important as you are. No one made you the voice for hunters, and your opinions carry no more weight than anyone else. Some of us like melee hunter, and after 4 years you’d think you’d learn to move on. Can’t wait for the next three years of the same rants for RSV back.
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I did say “by most measures” which is 100% not my opinion.
Because it wouldn’t just be a ‘new spec’. It would be replacing an old spec. Melee SV replaced ranged SV. Now they are ditching melee SV to replace it with this melee/ranged hybrid.
Blizzard shouldn’t be removing old specs to replace them with completely new ones. How can they possibly talk about class/spec identity when they just keep throwing crap at the wall with SV?
Ya, the contrarians love it… on their alts… too bad it is dramatically changing again in SL, since that is what SV is now: the spec that changes dramatically for no reason.
How does it repeatedly not get through your skull that we don’t want to get rid of melee SV. We just want ranged SV back as a fourth spec?
We just want back the beloved spec that we lost for no good reason, and you just want to barge into the hunter community and mock us for losing it. That is all you do here, period.
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Well pebbles I find it to be fun. I also put dps a lot of BM hunters I come across in mythic+. Being efficient in melee and ranged is what I would call versatile. Also having nice burst set ups and cc at melee and ranged is good
sprays some Crusader - Begone
Gotta get new product to get them out… this can ain’t working anymore.
It’s just as good as what I said. We can both say random stuff and result would be same.
Ignore the crusaders. Not worth, no matter what you say they see only the false light. Eventually they will end, just look at the Scarlet Crusaders.
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Except you have no measures. You ONLY have opinion. This is an old discussion. RSV hunters will present facts and measures, and you will dispute them with opinion. That is the reason I phrased it like that. By most measures, MSV has been a catastrophic failure.
It’s unlikely you would be able to submit a single measurable parameter that would dispute that, let alone enough measurable evidence to dispute the “most” part of my comment. I chose my words carefully.
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Moded data, incomplete data sure they will use it ! I rather not use something that basically says… “nothing”.
You can keep shouting on it, but facts remains the same, there’s no valid data. What ever you are saying right now is your personal opinion. You hate the melee sv, thats cool. Move on now.
Current Survival is amazing!
( I can do it too )
And thats good! But do choose the “right” data carefully and in the “right” way.
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Man, you better run and tell all the stupid Hunters in the MDI right now that are playing BM instead!
What do you actually think this means? This might have made sense back when Hunters had a melee toolkit and a minimum range on their ranged toolkit but it hasn’t been that way for a while. Our ranged specs can fight in melee range just fine, as could ranged Survival. Survival did not gain the capability to fight in melee in Legion; it already had that. It merely lost the capability to play at range.
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Except when you do it, you only prove that you lack a rudimentary knowledge of the English language, and you reinforce the fact that have no evidence - only opinion.
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Would you like that I say it in 5 other languages?
I’ll say it again,
By most measures, current survival is doing great. Haters are trying to say otherwise. The polls don’t lie!
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I don’t care about MDI as I only pve ie mythic+ for gear to pvp. I’m not trying to world first anything. So I play what I enjoy. Which happens to be survival. Which you happen to hate. So really this is a you problem. I’m glad hunters have a spec that has some sort of complexity to the kit. Brain dead BM is a snooze fest and MM hasn’t felt good in a long long time.
That means that there are moments where me going melee boosts my dps. Most hunters do not want to go face to face. Obviously. Survival love going face to face then kiting and so on. Makes for a dynamic playstyle. I kinda hoped you had the sense to see that point. Tired of having to sound out everything to you. Should I talk slowly and break words down with the claps of hands? Cmon pebbles use ya brain shorty.
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Except we’ve linked numbers before that detailed the huge loss of the Hunter playerbase going into Legion. But when we do that you just say “No, those don’t count because I said!”
As opposed to your ‘data’, which is actually nothing? If you don’t like the data that exists, then show your own data. I keep asking for it, yet nobody provides any. So where is it?
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This is a game and things change. Sub lost their spec 100x over. Specs do change. Don’t be so afraid of change. I’ve enjoyed melee survival since it was released. If they change it that’s okay. If I like what ever they change it to, the healing hybrid thing and I find it fun and it’s not brain dead like the other 2 specs are than I’d be totally fine and keep playing it. If not then I’ll go find another spec/class to play.
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You tell us how bad the two ranged specs are, then ask why we want SV back?
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Dont ask for something that dont exist anymore (4+ years) and suggest changes to current specs to get it better.
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